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	<title>Comments on: Southern Sea Ice at Historic Levels!</title>
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		<title>By: CommanderBill</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/05/06/southern-sea-ice-at-historic-levels/comment-page-1/#comment-85539</link>
		<dc:creator>CommanderBill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may find it interesting that southern hemisphere has around 1,000,000 square kilometers more sea ice then the mean of 1979-2000 and the most at this point since satellite data started being taken in 1978.  
 
Refers:  
 
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg  and
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.south.jpg
 
Also of note is northern hemisphere sea ice has rebounded to about 1,000,000 square kilometers from its 1979-2000 mean .  The world sea ice loss is now approximately zero reduction from its 1979-2000 mean.
 
Refers:
 
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg

Equally as interesting is a recent NASA study that concluded &quot; the rapid decline in winter perennial ice (northern hemisphere) the past two years was caused by unusual winds. Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.&quot;

Refers: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html
 
It may be non related factor however, solar cycle 24 seems to be slow to start and the minimum seems to correlate rather nicely with the rebound of sea ice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I think you may find it interesting that southern hemisphere has around 1,000,000 square kilometers more sea ice then the mean of 1979-2000 and the most at this point since satellite data started being taken in 1978.  </p>
<p>Refers:  </p>
<p><a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg</a>  and<br />
<a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.south.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.south.jpg</a></p>
<p>Also of note is northern hemisphere sea ice has rebounded to about 1,000,000 square kilometers from its 1979-2000 mean .  The world sea ice loss is now approximately zero reduction from its 1979-2000 mean.</p>
<p>Refers:</p>
<p><a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg</a></p>
<p>Equally as interesting is a recent NASA study that concluded &#8221; the rapid decline in winter perennial ice (northern hemisphere) the past two years was caused by unusual winds. Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic. When that sea ice reached lower latitudes, it rapidly melted in the warmer waters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Refers: <a href="http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/quikscat-20071001.html</a></p>
<p>It may be non related factor however, solar cycle 24 seems to be slow to start and the minimum seems to correlate rather nicely with the rebound of sea ice.</p>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/05/06/southern-sea-ice-at-historic-levels/comment-page-1/#comment-55612</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] go along with Mike&#8217;s post &#8220;Southern Sea Ice at Historic Levels!&#8221; comes this news from the northern hemisphere: Antarctica hasn&#8217;t warmed as much over the last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Computer Models On Global Warming Wrong Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Computer Models On Global Warming Wrong Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 03:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] go along with Mike&#8217;s post &#8220;Southern Sea Ice at Historic Levels!&#8221; comes this news from the northern hemisphere: Antarctica hasn&#8217;t warmed as much over the last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/05/06/southern-sea-ice-at-historic-levels/comment-page-1/#comment-55409</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At some point though science will catch up to the flawed assumptions in the computer models. It may take a few years, but it WILL happen. It will be interesting to see what happens then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>At some point though science will catch up to the flawed assumptions in the computer models. It may take a few years, but it WILL happen. It will be interesting to see what happens then.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that it ever will.   It is too much of a religion now.  They lost faith in regualr religion and started their own and it is the Church of Global Warming and no one can change thier mind.  Facts will never chang their mind because their computer models say so, and damn it if the facts get in the way.   Hell you can make a computer model do anything you want it to and fool peolpe into believing that the World is going to end beacuse of CO2 which helps us grow crops to feed people, and now they are going to use the food that the CO2 grows to make more of a mess.  Screw the people, thay do not need to eat, we are going to make that food into fuel so we can save Gaia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I don&#8217;t think that it ever will.   It is too much of a religion now.  They lost faith in regualr religion and started their own and it is the Church of Global Warming and no one can change thier mind.  Facts will never chang their mind because their computer models say so, and damn it if the facts get in the way.   Hell you can make a computer model do anything you want it to and fool peolpe into believing that the World is going to end beacuse of CO2 which helps us grow crops to feed people, and now they are going to use the food that the CO2 grows to make more of a mess.  Screw the people, thay do not need to eat, we are going to make that food into fuel so we can save Gaia.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stix: At what point does the data overwhelm the envirozealots like J. Ryan? I wonder if it ever will, or will he and his ilk be the true deniers to the last here?

Aqua and Argos and many other hard data programs are creating a basis for a TRUER understanding of our world and it&#039;s climate.  We will all benefit from the knowledge gained from these observations over time.

But whether that reality sinks in with the envirozealot deniers is a question for which science has no answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Stix: At what point does the data overwhelm the envirozealots like J. Ryan? I wonder if it ever will, or will he and his ilk be the true deniers to the last here?</p>
<p>Aqua and Argos and many other hard data programs are creating a basis for a TRUER understanding of our world and it&#8217;s climate.  We will all benefit from the knowledge gained from these observations over time.</p>
<p>But whether that reality sinks in with the envirozealot deniers is a question for which science has no answer.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it does not go along with the Climate Hysterics ideology.

It is a religion to them and they need to have faith that the world is in peril and only they can save us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Because it does not go along with the Climate Hysterics ideology.</p>
<p>It is a religion to them and they need to have faith that the world is in peril and only they can save us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Ryan: I noticed you didn&#039;t respond to my comment revealing the more complete data you left off your earlier comment.

I wonder why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>John Ryan: I noticed you didn&#8217;t respond to my comment revealing the more complete data you left off your earlier comment.</p>
<p>I wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8% voted  for Ron Paul but 64%  voted for Obamassiah in NC.  Who are the real nutjobs.  Obama has no credibility in anything.  He has risen on the backs of others.   Just ask the Illinois Legislature on how he was given bills so he can have a record. he never wrote any bills in Illinois he was just given then  by I think it was Madigan so he could run for the Senate.

So natural forces can actully stop the ruination of the planet.  How can that be.  I thought Global warming was here to stay and we only had 10 years to fix it. Oh I forgot that was 10 years ago when they said that, or wasit last year orthe year befiore. it is always 10 years befoe we fall over the cliff.  Just look at some ofthe articles from the 1930, or 1970s.  It is always just enough into the future so we forget that it has been 10 years from the last prediction of &quot;doom and gloom&quot;.   


Kind of makes you wonder doesn&#039;t it???  Wasn&#039;t it 35years ago that the next Ice Age was coming from these same &quot;experts&quot;.  And weren&#039;t we all going to be dieing of starvation by 1990???  If you can show me how these are valid predictions, then maybe I will listen to you. And if theycan tell me exactly what the weather will be like on July 20, I will listen to them, but they can not predict beyond a couple days of waht the weather will be, so why should I listen to them about 50 years from now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>8% voted  for Ron Paul but 64%  voted for Obamassiah in NC.  Who are the real nutjobs.  Obama has no credibility in anything.  He has risen on the backs of others.   Just ask the Illinois Legislature on how he was given bills so he can have a record. he never wrote any bills in Illinois he was just given then  by I think it was Madigan so he could run for the Senate.</p>
<p>So natural forces can actully stop the ruination of the planet.  How can that be.  I thought Global warming was here to stay and we only had 10 years to fix it. Oh I forgot that was 10 years ago when they said that, or wasit last year orthe year befiore. it is always 10 years befoe we fall over the cliff.  Just look at some ofthe articles from the 1930, or 1970s.  It is always just enough into the future so we forget that it has been 10 years from the last prediction of &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Kind of makes you wonder doesn&#8217;t it???  Wasn&#8217;t it 35years ago that the next Ice Age was coming from these same &#8220;experts&#8221;.  And weren&#8217;t we all going to be dieing of starvation by 1990???  If you can show me how these are valid predictions, then maybe I will listen to you. And if theycan tell me exactly what the weather will be like on July 20, I will listen to them, but they can not predict beyond a couple days of waht the weather will be, so why should I listen to them about 50 years from now.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only wack job here is you John.</description>
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