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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/04/25/questioning-his-judgement/comment-page-1/#comment-44227</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re barking up a dead tree, Mach....  Said poster you were addressing has already demonstrated she doesn&#039;t read - accurately, or at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>You&#8217;re barking up a dead tree, Mach&#8230;.  Said poster you were addressing has already demonstrated she doesn&#8217;t read &#8211; accurately, or at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/04/25/questioning-his-judgement/comment-page-1/#comment-44142</link>
		<dc:creator>Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sky55110: As the person who came down so hard on a fellow poster on an earlier thread for not accurately reading your post (I can go get the specific quotations if you like), it comes as no small irony that you didn&#039;t bother to read my post accurately; or perhaps as you implied in your reply to the other poster, you need to work on your reading skills.
The portion in which I mused whether or not the come-back would involve the &quot;oreo&quot; slur was directed at Unmurrikan; who had just gone on about how we were a bunch of racists who attacked BHO simply because he was black. I then cited a small list of well known black political figures whom we would gladly support, were they to seek high office. The usual rebuttal from the radical camp is that said individuals are not &quot;genuinely&quot; black, and therefore don&#039;t count. In further irony, during a gubernatorial debate during the 2006 campaign, actual oreo cookies were thrown at Michael Steele by the opposition in the audience. Care to condemn that Sky55110?
As for your second &quot;debating&quot; point, as an ad hominem, it doesn&#039;t exactly help prove the validity of your argument. Please tell me that isn&#039;t the best you can do. We already have enough insult dropping &quot;drive-by&quot; posters here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Sky55110: As the person who came down so hard on a fellow poster on an earlier thread for not accurately reading your post (I can go get the specific quotations if you like), it comes as no small irony that you didn&#8217;t bother to read my post accurately; or perhaps as you implied in your reply to the other poster, you need to work on your reading skills.<br />
The portion in which I mused whether or not the come-back would involve the &#8220;oreo&#8221; slur was directed at Unmurrikan; who had just gone on about how we were a bunch of racists who attacked BHO simply because he was black. I then cited a small list of well known black political figures whom we would gladly support, were they to seek high office. The usual rebuttal from the radical camp is that said individuals are not &#8220;genuinely&#8221; black, and therefore don&#8217;t count. In further irony, during a gubernatorial debate during the 2006 campaign, actual oreo cookies were thrown at Michael Steele by the opposition in the audience. Care to condemn that Sky55110?<br />
As for your second &#8220;debating&#8221; point, as an ad hominem, it doesn&#8217;t exactly help prove the validity of your argument. Please tell me that isn&#8217;t the best you can do. We already have enough insult dropping &#8220;drive-by&#8221; posters here.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/04/25/questioning-his-judgement/comment-page-1/#comment-44066</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you skip over all the other associations Obama has with Ayers and just zone in on the board thing....quite telling.  Keep your head in the sand sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I see you skip over all the other associations Obama has with Ayers and just zone in on the board thing&#8230;.quite telling.  Keep your head in the sand sky.</p>
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		<title>By: sky55110</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/04/25/questioning-his-judgement/comment-page-1/#comment-44002</link>
		<dc:creator>sky55110</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Machiavelli you never cease to amaze me with your &quot;crap&quot;. First of all I have never ever used a slur like you just assumed I would... Secondly you are just to right wing blind to see that most of what you say is baseless. 

Curt you slam Obama for serving on the same board as Ayes??? Let&#039;s see does that mean he ascribes the same beliefs as Ayes... NOT!!!  If that were so Curt that would also mean that Hillary is a Union hating Republican. Because she once served on a board with Sam Walton... what planet are you right wingers on???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Machiavelli you never cease to amaze me with your &#8220;crap&#8221;. First of all I have never ever used a slur like you just assumed I would&#8230; Secondly you are just to right wing blind to see that most of what you say is baseless. </p>
<p>Curt you slam Obama for serving on the same board as Ayes??? Let&#8217;s see does that mean he ascribes the same beliefs as Ayes&#8230; NOT!!!  If that were so Curt that would also mean that Hillary is a Union hating Republican. Because she once served on a board with Sam Walton&#8230; what planet are you right wingers on???</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/04/25/questioning-his-judgement/comment-page-1/#comment-42813</link>
		<dc:creator>Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, so many falsehoods, so little time! Thanks for the input Curt, it may be impossible to &quot;change&quot; the minds of the opposition, but we can at least &quot;hope&quot; for some quality debate.
First, the fact that BHO may have been only nine years old when Ayers was being a busy little domestic terrorist doesn&#039;t really matter. The fact is, he embraces him now, when the guy still &quot;wishes he could have done more&quot; bombing of public offices. I wasn&#039;t even born when Ayers was active, and I have the good sense not to hold the man up as a &quot;friend&quot; of mine. Calling Ayers a &quot;respected teacher&quot; is kind of like calling Yassir Arafat a &quot;respected statesman,&quot; though maybe that analogy doesn&#039;t fly with you Sky. Yes, Wright is &quot;retired&quot; from his position as pastor, but that WAS all of a couple months ago... He WAS his pastor for over twenty years, and he WAS the one who has influenced his thoughts and beliefs. The implications these facts have for BHO&#039;s judgment are hardly spin; but you&#039;re free to call it that if you like.
Unmurrikan, the reason most of us here don&#039;t like BHO has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he&#039;s black. I think all of us would be more than happy to support Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, or Michael Steele for high office (are you going to call them &quot;oreos&quot; or some other vile slur like that?). It&#039;s about the character and stances of the person involved. BHO for his part has shown his racist bonafides in his book &quot;Dreams of my Father,&quot; and showed off his elitism to Middle America by calling them &quot;bitter&quot; for &quot;clinging to guns and religion,&quot; and maybe you find his Leninist / Marxist ideology appealing, but I don&#039;t.
Now, I may not believe in Buddhism, or Hinduism, etc., but at least I don&#039;t mock their faith. President Bush has admitted the mistakes of his youth, and makes no pretense to justify them; the same can&#039;t be said of BHO. That&#039;s judgment and character for you.
Closing with an ad hominem - not the mark of a quality argument unmurrikan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Ah, so many falsehoods, so little time! Thanks for the input Curt, it may be impossible to &#8220;change&#8221; the minds of the opposition, but we can at least &#8220;hope&#8221; for some quality debate.<br />
First, the fact that BHO may have been only nine years old when Ayers was being a busy little domestic terrorist doesn&#8217;t really matter. The fact is, he embraces him now, when the guy still &#8220;wishes he could have done more&#8221; bombing of public offices. I wasn&#8217;t even born when Ayers was active, and I have the good sense not to hold the man up as a &#8220;friend&#8221; of mine. Calling Ayers a &#8220;respected teacher&#8221; is kind of like calling Yassir Arafat a &#8220;respected statesman,&#8221; though maybe that analogy doesn&#8217;t fly with you Sky. Yes, Wright is &#8220;retired&#8221; from his position as pastor, but that WAS all of a couple months ago&#8230; He WAS his pastor for over twenty years, and he WAS the one who has influenced his thoughts and beliefs. The implications these facts have for BHO&#8217;s judgment are hardly spin; but you&#8217;re free to call it that if you like.<br />
Unmurrikan, the reason most of us here don&#8217;t like BHO has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he&#8217;s black. I think all of us would be more than happy to support Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, or Michael Steele for high office (are you going to call them &#8220;oreos&#8221; or some other vile slur like that?). It&#8217;s about the character and stances of the person involved. BHO for his part has shown his racist bonafides in his book &#8220;Dreams of my Father,&#8221; and showed off his elitism to Middle America by calling them &#8220;bitter&#8221; for &#8220;clinging to guns and religion,&#8221; and maybe you find his Leninist / Marxist ideology appealing, but I don&#8217;t.<br />
Now, I may not believe in Buddhism, or Hinduism, etc., but at least I don&#8217;t mock their faith. President Bush has admitted the mistakes of his youth, and makes no pretense to justify them; the same can&#8217;t be said of BHO. That&#8217;s judgment and character for you.<br />
Closing with an ad hominem &#8211; not the mark of a quality argument unmurrikan.</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obama is a tool for the far left, i mean the way out there left.  he isn&#039;t compitent enough to coordinate a fundraiser let a lone run this country for the next term.  he is racist, in reserve, he is an elitist, he is a just plain ugly person.  do remember that event he devil can site scripture for his own purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>obama is a tool for the far left, i mean the way out there left.  he isn&#8217;t compitent enough to coordinate a fundraiser let a lone run this country for the next term.  he is racist, in reserve, he is an elitist, he is a just plain ugly person.  do remember that event he devil can site scripture for his own purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: unmurrikan</title>
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		<dc:creator>unmurrikan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see...Reverend Wright is a racist...why? Because he objects to Blacks being lynched? Because he thinks slavery is an abomination? Because he recognizes the degree to which America remains a virulently racist society? Every decent American should be shouting the very same things the Reverend said.

&#039;Attack Barak Cause He&#039;s Black&#039;. That would at least be honest from you racist hypocrites who would defend the murderous record of a deserting, drug dealing failure and criminal against humanity. Oh I forgot- W found Jesus (or was it Mickey Mouse?) who told him it&#039;s ok to desecrate the Constitution, to engage in vile acts of terror and torture, to kidnap and detain individuals in perpetuity without trial, to invade countries that pose no threat to anyone.

You all seem so, well, little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Let&#8217;s see&#8230;Reverend Wright is a racist&#8230;why? Because he objects to Blacks being lynched? Because he thinks slavery is an abomination? Because he recognizes the degree to which America remains a virulently racist society? Every decent American should be shouting the very same things the Reverend said.</p>
<p>&#8216;Attack Barak Cause He&#8217;s Black&#8217;. That would at least be honest from you racist hypocrites who would defend the murderous record of a deserting, drug dealing failure and criminal against humanity. Oh I forgot- W found Jesus (or was it Mickey Mouse?) who told him it&#8217;s ok to desecrate the Constitution, to engage in vile acts of terror and torture, to kidnap and detain individuals in perpetuity without trial, to invade countries that pose no threat to anyone.</p>
<p>You all seem so, well, little.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, forgot one thing.  Obama&#039;s campaign says that Ayers and Dohrn are &quot;respectable&quot; members of the &quot;mainstream&quot; community...seven years after they said they wished they had did more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oh, forgot one thing.  Obama&#8217;s campaign says that Ayers and Dohrn are &#8220;respectable&#8221; members of the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; community&#8230;seven years after they said they wished they had did more.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on...are you that dense?  Really?

Obama&#039;s political coming out party in the 90&#039;s was hosted by none other then Ayers and Dohrn.  Both Ayers and Obama &lt;a href=&quot;http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/97/971104.juvenile.justice.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;took part&lt;/a&gt; in a panel discussion put together by Obama&#039;s wife AND Obama and Ayers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/politics/17truth.html?_r=1&amp;ex=1366171200&amp;en=2b5e7c726c82f40a&amp;ei=5088&amp;partner=rssnyt&amp;emc=rss&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;served together on the board of the Woods Fund&lt;/a&gt; for three years which just so happened to be at the time that Ayers made that quote that he despaired not doing more terrorism.  That Fund funneled money into the racist pastors church btw.

And to top it all off, the Obama campaign already stated the two have a friendly relationship.

The outcry about his judgement in this case isn&#039;t about when he was a kid, but his association with a man who despairs at not doing more to further his terrorists groups goals to this day.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630_Page2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1590&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Oh come on&#8230;are you that dense?  Really?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s political coming out party in the 90&#8242;s was hosted by none other then Ayers and Dohrn.  Both Ayers and Obama <a href="http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/97/971104.juvenile.justice.shtml" rel="nofollow">took part</a> in a panel discussion put together by Obama&#8217;s wife AND Obama and Ayers <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/politics/17truth.html?_r=1&#038;ex=1366171200&#038;en=2b5e7c726c82f40a&#038;ei=5088&#038;partner=rssnyt&#038;emc=rss&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">served together on the board of the Woods Fund</a> for three years which just so happened to be at the time that Ayers made that quote that he despaired not doing more terrorism.  That Fund funneled money into the racist pastors church btw.</p>
<p>And to top it all off, the Obama campaign already stated the two have a friendly relationship.</p>
<p>The outcry about his judgement in this case isn&#8217;t about when he was a kid, but his association with a man who despairs at not doing more to further his terrorists groups goals to this day.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630_Page2.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br />
<a href="http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1590" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: sky55110</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 23:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Machiavilli,

Give me a break!!!! You keep bringing up Bill Ayers... Do I need to Point OUT AGAIN that Barrack was 8 years old when Bill Ayers was an activist??? you are really reaching here if you think that a person that is now a respected teacher is a problem for Barrack. You keep bringing up this old crap that is Baseless!! 
And I believe we talked about how Wright WAS his pastor.. is not now... but he is the pastor that led Barrack to Christ... 

but you continue this right wing SPIN SPIN SPIN....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Machiavilli,</p>
<p>Give me a break!!!! You keep bringing up Bill Ayers&#8230; Do I need to Point OUT AGAIN that Barrack was 8 years old when Bill Ayers was an activist??? you are really reaching here if you think that a person that is now a respected teacher is a problem for Barrack. You keep bringing up this old crap that is Baseless!!<br />
And I believe we talked about how Wright WAS his pastor.. is not now&#8230; but he is the pastor that led Barrack to Christ&#8230; </p>
<p>but you continue this right wing SPIN SPIN SPIN&#8230;.</p>
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