How can something that sounds so Wright be so Wrong?

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Let me quote your first comment here Fit fit: “The American Civil War was not fought to end slavery… The abolition of slavery was a result of the war, not the reason.”
Now, look again at what I wrote: “While initially (1861 – 1863) the American Civil War was fought to keep the union together, post the Emancipation Proclamation (1863 – 1865), the war added another de facto goal of ending slavery. So, whether it was started over that or not, the important thing is that in the end, that became a defining feature of it.”
You seem to think that the end of slavery is merely a RESULT of the Civil War, not a REASON for it being fought.
Whereas, once Lincoln laid down the Emancipation Proclamation, the end of slavery became a doctrine of the Union, and it became a GOAL of the Union; hence a REASON to prosecute the war. Attempting to say that because preservation of the Union was the first reason for the Civil War somehow invalidates the abolition of slavery as a secondary reason for fighting the war is disingenuous. So no, I’m not “echoing” your point, I’m pointing out the error in your reasoning.

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Machiavelli,

As I said, it was a result of the war not the reason. You called me on the carpet to echo my point?

Rev. Wright said several other things just as stupid as the HIV remark (white people killed Jesus) but Curt’s statement about blaming: “this is pretty much ALL you have done in your sermons” is not true. You don’t have to sit through “all his sermons” to get that.

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The Civil War was, in essence, fought over the issue of slavery, the Dems being for and the Reps being against. In fact…

“The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by a group of renegade Democrats, Whigs, and political independents who opposed the expansion of SLAVERY into new U.S. territories and states. What began as a single-issue, independent party became a major political force in the United States. Six years after the new party was formed, Republican nominee ABRAHAM LINCOLN won the U.S. presidential election.”

360,000 union lives were lost, over 100,000 in combat, to keep the USA together and to free the slaves. It seems to me that in stead of reparations, which is one of Wright’s (and probably Barack’s) agendas, they owe White Americans a thank you, – well, at least Republicans and their supporters, anyway.

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Fit fit, time to call you on your errors. While initially (1861 – 1863) the American Civil War was fought to keep the union together, post the Emancipation Proclamation (1863 – 1865), the war added another de facto goal of ending slavery. So, whether it was started over that or not, the important thing is that in the end, that became a defining feature of it. Also, you should take into account that the reason that the southern states broke away in the first place was that an anti-slavery Republican (Lincoln) was elected, and they feared that federal laws would be used to overturn an institution that was legal on the state level. Yes, that’s a states’ rights argument, but the legality of slavery was intertwined with the times, witness the tortured Kansas-Nebraska Act and the like. If any people from the south are pining for the “good old days of the CSA” I’m not particularly worried if they feel insulted by my taking of the moral high ground. Fortunately, if anything I think people from the southern states are a more patriotic lot (and not in a waving the Confederate Flag way) in the modern day; witness the fact that they make up a disproportionate number of the personnel in our Armed Services.
Also, I’m curious how I could be unclear about where Jeremiah Wright is placing blame when he explicitly states in what you call a “sound-bite” that the U.S. (white) Government is responsible for cooking up the HIV virus to spread amongst the black population? There’s not much to be confused about there Fit fit, so I think you’re trying the cheap “you haven’t sat through all his sermons” tactic to divert away the well deserved censure that he and his disciple BHO are taking because of his hateful message.

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If you take the stories in the bible literally, anfd the characters in it as historically reliable, that’s your own business.

i’m not here to argue that point.

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Dan:

“And these characters are partly mythological”

Show me how you can justify this statement.

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Two things:

The American Civil War was not fought to end slavery. It is insulting to the Southerners who died for you to claim a moral high ground that did not exist. The abolition of slavery was a result of the war, not the reason.

You do not know what the Rev. Wright’s sermons have been saying about blame and responsibilty. You are basing your opinion on soundbites.

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Mauretania had slavery til the 1980s. Saudis had slavery til the 1960s.

The Sudanese are almost certainly up to no good today. normally it’s to do with sexual slavery and once upon a time Eunuchs. It went on for about 1300 years among Muslims. Approx 20 million trafficed to Muslim or Arab traders. Ironic considering the charter for the NOI. Before the 1650s Eurpeans normally enslaved their lower classes in serfdom–Muslims plundered Sub-saharan africa for slaves more persistently and continuously than the Americans and Europeans.

The unique thing about the West and slavery is that slavery was self consciously abolished and never practiced in the domestic territory (of the UK France Holland etc). In Eastern Europe The Russians had serfs until the 1860s–blond hair blue eyed slaves! About the same time that the US abolished the practise.

The antebellum south was an aberration even within the British Empire and later the US where land was normally expropriated from natives and settled by immigrants from Europe. It is exclusively associated with the cash crops of Tobacco, Cotton and Sugar.

The engaged in quite a bit of the trade in the 18th century but ultimately it was always unpopular with many people within the western countries that allowed it.

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Wright is…

Isiah? Samuel? Jeremiah? Jacob?Isaac?Joshua?

oh, for the love of god.

He’s a mental midget. And these characters are partly mythological. We need flesh and blood–not stories…not half crazed egomaniacs.

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