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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/02/15/whatever-it-takes-to-take-those-guns/#comment-137585</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] can we forget this from his lips: Obama said he believes in the Second Amendment, but that there is plenty of room for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Obama Says Gun Owners Need Not Worry&#8230;.Stop Buying Those Guns You Bitter Gun Clingers!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Obama Says Gun Owners Need Not Worry&#8230;.Stop Buying Those Guns You Bitter Gun Clingers!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/02/15/whatever-it-takes-to-take-those-guns/#comment-17527</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 02:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;the notion that somehow local jurisdictions can’t initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn’t born out by our constitution.”&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Oh yeah, we&#039;ve got a big problem with &quot;safety&quot;.  As if the problem is accidental shootings.

The libs always use this line, claiming that all their regulations are about &quot;safety&quot;.  What a fraud</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><em>&#8220;the notion that somehow local jurisdictions can’t initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn’t born out by our constitution.”&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Oh yeah, we&#8217;ve got a big problem with &#8220;safety&#8221;.  As if the problem is accidental shootings.</p>
<p>The libs always use this line, claiming that all their regulations are about &#8220;safety&#8221;.  What a fraud</p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 20:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;issue McCain is solid.&lt;/i&gt;

He&#039;s not all that: here&#039; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GOA on John McCain&lt;/a&gt;. NRA (not quite as radically pro-gun as GOA) likewise has given him C/C+ ratings for the past ten years or so (he did get a bunch of A/A+ ratings, but that was 1990s and earlier).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><i>issue McCain is solid.</i></p>
<p>He&#8217;s not all that: here&#8217; <a href="http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm" rel="nofollow">GOA on John McCain</a>. NRA (not quite as radically pro-gun as GOA) likewise has given him C/C+ ratings for the past ten years or so (he did get a bunch of A/A+ ratings, but that was 1990s and earlier).</p>
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		<title>By: HOW MANY MORE HAVE TO DIE? &#124; DEMOCRAT equals SOCIALIST</title>
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		<dc:creator>HOW MANY MORE HAVE TO DIE? &#124; DEMOCRAT equals SOCIALIST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The gang at Flopping Aces weighs in with this&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GI Joe</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/02/15/whatever-it-takes-to-take-those-guns/#comment-17374</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well BO is from that great liberal State that has done so much to disarm it&#039;s citizens...I&#039;m sure he will try to do the same for the rest of the United States. He will get pushed on his anti 2nd A, anti Constitutional crap in the General Election, at least I hope he will.
Did the adoring crowds in 1930&#039;s Germany also faint during speeches of AH?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Well BO is from that great liberal State that has done so much to disarm it&#8217;s citizens&#8230;I&#8217;m sure he will try to do the same for the rest of the United States. He will get pushed on his anti 2nd A, anti Constitutional crap in the General Election, at least I hope he will.<br />
Did the adoring crowds in 1930&#8242;s Germany also faint during speeches of AH?</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Dittman</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/02/15/whatever-it-takes-to-take-those-guns/#comment-17310</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the battle would look more like the early new Iraqi army where bullets flying everywhere.  People won&#039;t know the original shooter from the dozens that are shooting.  Imagine if it was two gunmen instead of one and so the shooters start shooting each other in the mass confusion.  Even the police have trouble. A quarter of of the police that have been shot were shot by other police officers.

The kid that bought at least two of those did not buy them legally like the press said.  
&quot;Since 1968, individuals deemed mentally ill by the legal system are not supposed to be able to buy guns.&quot;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902437.html

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting.suspect/index.html
At the end of this artical it said he had no known history of mental illness.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting.suspect/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
This artical says people around him knew he had stopped taking his medication, which from the sound of it was to treat a mental illness (or at least the people linked the stopping of medication to different behavior in the shooter).

This story says the Virginia Tech shooter and this shooter bought the firearms from the same place.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting/index.html

I would have to say that somebody wasn&#039;t doing their job.
1. If this medication was for a mental illness, the information should have been sent so his name could have been put in the data base use for a background check.
2.  If his name was in the data base, the seller should have bothered to check the database.
3. So it could have been a doctor, the data base key puncher or the web site that made the error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I think the battle would look more like the early new Iraqi army where bullets flying everywhere.  People won&#8217;t know the original shooter from the dozens that are shooting.  Imagine if it was two gunmen instead of one and so the shooters start shooting each other in the mass confusion.  Even the police have trouble. A quarter of of the police that have been shot were shot by other police officers.</p>
<p>The kid that bought at least two of those did not buy them legally like the press said.<br />
&#8220;Since 1968, individuals deemed mentally ill by the legal system are not supposed to be able to buy guns.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902437.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902437.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting.suspect/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting.suspect/index.html</a><br />
At the end of this artical it said he had no known history of mental illness.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting.suspect/index.html?iref=mpstoryview" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting.suspect/index.html?iref=mpstoryview</a><br />
This artical says people around him knew he had stopped taking his medication, which from the sound of it was to treat a mental illness (or at least the people linked the stopping of medication to different behavior in the shooter).</p>
<p>This story says the Virginia Tech shooter and this shooter bought the firearms from the same place.<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/15/university.shooting/index.html</a></p>
<p>I would have to say that somebody wasn&#8217;t doing their job.<br />
1. If this medication was for a mental illness, the information should have been sent so his name could have been put in the data base use for a background check.<br />
2.  If his name was in the data base, the seller should have bothered to check the database.<br />
3. So it could have been a doctor, the data base key puncher or the web site that made the error.</p>
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		<title>By: JustADude</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustADude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If those with a CC permit were allowed to bring their weapon on campus it would eliminate the situation we have now where they are virtually guaranteed to be Free Fire Zones for the perps.

Give me a battle hardened vet of Iraq or Afghanistan with a CC permit and the perp would either be confronted before he could shoot and perhaps stop the whole incident or at least use appropriate force to disable or kill the perp to minimize collateral damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>If those with a CC permit were allowed to bring their weapon on campus it would eliminate the situation we have now where they are virtually guaranteed to be Free Fire Zones for the perps.</p>
<p>Give me a battle hardened vet of Iraq or Afghanistan with a CC permit and the perp would either be confronted before he could shoot and perhaps stop the whole incident or at least use appropriate force to disable or kill the perp to minimize collateral damage.</p>
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		<title>By: thebronze</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebronze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 04:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buck Fobama!</description>
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