Steve,

You may have missed it, but on other threads I have opined that posters on the conservative side should lay off of talk like that.

I will contend that, after being in Iraq, the terrorists could have cared less about Abu Griab as could the Islamic world. We gave the prison back to the Iraqis and the AQI and Maadi prisoners demanded to go with our people instead of dealing with the Iraqi guards. That part did not make much news, but it spoke volumes.

I will also contend, to my dying breath, that you are wrong about who caused damage to the war effort. I personally witnessed it in Iraq and have related that story here.

You seem to watch a lot of TV and Hollywood movies and then project that conservatives base our reality on these. You could not be farther from the truth. We do not think all villains are white capitalists (or capitalists in general) who own big corporations and seek to dominate the world. Hollywood movies are fiction. You project that fiction as to what conservatives believe and have never once, to my knowledge, asked us. I rarely watch TV, preferring other forms of entertainment like reading.

Maybe it again has something to do with the arguments you get into with your family as you mentioned before. We are not them. Please stop projecting your views of them onto us and stop projecting on conservatives in general.

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Thats some argument, someone gets the name wrong of the tower and you throw it out.

Bravo….

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/confessions_of_.html

Even more then the library tower:

KSM also says he was planning attacks on American military vessels in the Straights of Hormuz, Gibraltar and the Port of Singapore, along with a plan to bomb and destroy the Panama Canal.

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The “mechanism” claimed, so far as I could determine from my searches, for foiling the plot was evesdropping, not torture. And George W. Bush could not even get the name of the building right when he was talking about it.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1139519342119B212

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However your friends on this board are screaming “tear out their finger nails!” and “peel their skin off!”, using scenarios not based on reality, but instead on fictional shows such as “24″ do not appear to be as reticent.

I just read through the entire thread and did not see anyone screaming to tear out the fingernails of terrorists.

And it is Conservative equivocation about the use of torture, using works of fiction as their justification, who are making that scenario possible.

Sorry, The Liberty Tower is not an act of fiction. You may wish it away but the fact remains due to our use of waterboarding that tower is still standing.

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Re: “The asinine torture comment was insulting to the extreme as I am an Army Officer and NO ONE in ANY unit I have been in from Platoon to Corps has ever done ANYTHING like you accuse them of wanting to do.”

I believe you.

However your friends on this board are screaming “tear out their finger nails!” and “peel their skin off!”, using scenarios not based on reality, but instead on fictional shows such as “24″ do not appear to be as reticent. And it is my opinion that many of them are setting up an environment where fictional scenarios (just like in the movies) are taken as reality and conditions are created where such forms of torture can receive the “wink and nod” that would allow this to happen. (VP Dan Quayle thought “Red Dawn” was real).

Besides, as a military officer you are subject to the military code of conduct. A lot of the torture is performed by non-military government agents (such as CIA), and even government contractors, who are (or were) apparently subject to virtually no laws at all.

Do you actually believe that people living in the Middle East, or other areas make that fine bureaucratic distinction that we are making here? They see America doing these things and that is all.

Relatedly, I have stated in other forums that the people who humiliated those prisoners in Abu Graibe did more to advance the cause of Osama bin Laden than any “leftist traitor” you choose to excoriate here ever did. The fact that they were punished did nothing to ameliorate the international damage, particularly with the Alberto Gonzalez memos justifying torture. And that harm will take a generation to repair.

All we need is some hired gun of the US State Department, having watched the latest episode of “24” and personally convinced that this particular ten year old girl “knows” where the bomb is and start torturing her to “get” the information, and videos of it to get out.

Al Qaeda would actually have to start turning recruits away for lack of space.

And it is Conservative equivocation about the use of torture, using works of fiction as their justification, who are making that scenario possible. And, while you are very ready to go after me when I say simply, “torture is wrong, no matter what” as some sort of weak simpleton, you are not willing to hold your friends to anything approaching a similar standard.

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Not always Steve and projectionism, “all conservatives (Insert Stevism)”, and “you want to torture children” is beyond childish name calling. We could get into your attacks on Christians in you first posts and much more if you wished. The asinine torture comment was insulting to the extreme as I am an Army Officer and NO ONE in ANY unit I have been in from Platoon to Corps has ever done ANYTHING like you accuse them of wanting to do.

I tried exchanging “leftist” for “conservative and throwing them back at you to display how irrational those statements sounded, but it went right past you. I am sorry you cannot look in a mirror and see yourself rant on. I am sorry your hate and ignorance of conservatives (something about your family relations.. we know, you stated it before) blinds you and lets you swallow the filth from the left.

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I have no problem with adult behavior. Recall that I am not the one who feels compelled to accompany my every post with a string of childish name calling.

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“Every post directed at me, without exception, includes a person insult, directed at me personally.”

Awww… Poor widdle Stevie got his feewings hurt!

Here’s some advice for you Steve:

Man up. Grow a pair. Get some backbone.

Be an adult. Or at least attempt to be.

Come on up out of Mommy’s basement and take a look around the real world.

This is a site of grown ups and if you want to be taken seriously you need to at least attempt to behave like one.

No one here has the time nor the patience for your childish whining.

If you wanna play the game, then get in the game. Answer the hard questions that are posed to you instead of pretending that you never saw them.

If you don’t feel qualified to play with the grownups then I you could always go to Nickelodeon.com. I hear that they have some great things there for you.

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Steve,
You are projecting again, please seek mental help and anger management.

Considering Theresa is former USAF, I am sure she has probably had more than one rotation in Islamic nations (can you match that?). Therefore, like me, she has had first hand experience with these cultures. Steve, I suggest you start doing some research. If you wish, I can direct you to dozens of sources, like Jihad Watch, who scan world wide news sources showing the menace of jihadists and militant Islam.

It is not our fault your democratic party wants to be dhimmis. And your insane taqqiya is useless. You keep siting, with you usual bile and blind dismissal, all these conservative site, yet push leftist trash on us.

Only ONE, count them, ONE time have I used FNC for a source (Gaza Wall breach article) where I compared them along side CNN and foreign news sources to create a mosaic picture of the event. But THAT does not matter to you. And use of sources on this website is not within your power to control. I, and the others who post here on Curt’s site, will use whatever sources we wish. This is not the “Philadelphia Steve Death to Conservatism and up with socialist tripe” blog. If you wish to practice censorship in denying the use of websites to suite the reality your leftist master have set for you, please register for your own blog.

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Re: “The only muslims I ever hear about or see in any form of media are the head chopping, stoning of women, killing of daughters/wives, rampaging in the street, destroying of lives kind. So I guess I do hate all of “them”. ”

Go somewhere other than Rush Limbaugh, FoxNews, NewsMax or Ann coulter for everything you know and you might see something other than the Republican Party line then.

Re: “Hate”

Every post directed at me, without exception, includes a person insult, directed at me personally. My posts merely refer to the standard Republican party line, and how Conservatives are required to toe it.

I would say that those here posting against me should go back and examine their own posts and ask themselves who is really seething with personal hatred. If a Conservative here is capable of expressing a single thought, with an accompaning line of personal invective, then that person may feel justified in excoriating me.

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