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	<title>Comments on: Bill Clinton: &#8220;We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy&#8221; to Fight Global Warming</title>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; &#187; Global Warming: Case Closed?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; &#187; Global Warming: Case Closed?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And of course we know that GOP candidate McCain is also an adherent to the global baloney frenzy. From Flopping Aces. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] And of course we know that GOP candidate McCain is also an adherent to the global baloney frenzy. From Flopping Aces. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bill Clinton: “We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy” to Fight Global Warming Readers will recall that we’ve warned time and again that global warming alarmist’s first target is the U.S. economy. Here’s more proof in a report from ABC’s Jake Tapper: January 31, 2008 9:26 AM Former President Bill Clinton was in Denver, Colorado, stumping for his wife yesterday. In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: “We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.” At a time that the nation is worried about a recession is that really the characterization his wife would want him making? “Slow down our economy”? I don’t really think there’s much debate that, at least initially, a full commitment to reduce greenhouse gases would slow down the economy….So was this a moment of candor? Save the planet so our grandchildren can live in poverty? Is that the deal? Clinton went on to talk about how other countries would have to join us in this effort, but do we really believe that nation’s like China, Brazil and Mexico will all of a sudden begin start living up to the international agreements they sign? And of course we know that GOP candidate McCain is also an adherent to the global baloney frenzy. From Flopping Aces. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>[...] Bill Clinton: “We Just Have to Slow Down Our Economy” to Fight Global Warming Readers will recall that we’ve warned time and again that global warming alarmist’s first target is the U.S. economy. Here’s more proof in a report from ABC’s Jake Tapper: January 31, 2008 9:26 AM Former President Bill Clinton was in Denver, Colorado, stumping for his wife yesterday. In a long, and interesting speech, he characterized what the U.S. and other industrialized nations need to do to combat global warming this way: “We just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.” At a time that the nation is worried about a recession is that really the characterization his wife would want him making? “Slow down our economy”? I don’t really think there’s much debate that, at least initially, a full commitment to reduce greenhouse gases would slow down the economy….So was this a moment of candor? Save the planet so our grandchildren can live in poverty? Is that the deal? Clinton went on to talk about how other countries would have to join us in this effort, but do we really believe that nation’s like China, Brazil and Mexico will all of a sudden begin start living up to the international agreements they sign? And of course we know that GOP candidate McCain is also an adherent to the global baloney frenzy. From Flopping Aces. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One bold faced lie after another.

And they say Republicans use the politics of fear?

At least the fears of Islamic barbarism we describe are REAL whereas the fantasy of global catastrophe from manmade global warming is nothing but a monstrous lie designed to scare people into derailing the only agent for positive change the world has known: free capitalism embodied generally in Western society but principally the United States.

&lt;b&gt;Bill Clinton let the cat out of the bag!&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>One bold faced lie after another.</p>
<p>And they say Republicans use the politics of fear?</p>
<p>At least the fears of Islamic barbarism we describe are REAL whereas the fantasy of global catastrophe from manmade global warming is nothing but a monstrous lie designed to scare people into derailing the only agent for positive change the world has known: free capitalism embodied generally in Western society but principally the United States.</p>
<p><b>Bill Clinton let the cat out of the bag!</b></p>
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		<title>By: Philadelphia Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philadelphia Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;But it would be nice if you dropped the links from Clinton/Soros groups trying to spin this and actually admit that the goal of global warming alarmists is to slow the growth of the U.S. economy.&quot;

Yes it would.  And I apologize for positng from a partisian source as they are usually not reliable.  I certainly do not trust links to FoxNews.  And thank you for posting better sources that I did in my hurry to get my post in.

Regarding a future of poverty:
Global Warming will exact its cost, one way or another.  One of the fictions of Conservative propoganda (particularly the Cato Institute) is that environmental damage and its subsequent effects are &quot;free&quot;.  There will be a cost, whether it is the costs of the movement of formerly tropical diseases to norther latitudes, flooding from storm surges, reduced water flow due to lessened snowpack (the Colorado River), or other costs.  They are real and they will happen, no matter what you and I put in print:  Nature is not impressed.

The only question is where that cost will land.

Add to that the increased wars that will result as countries are flooded due to rising oceal levels (not in the next ten years, as Conservatives falsly assert Al Gore said).  For example Bangladesh, one of ht emost populous Muslim nations in the world, will see about half of its area flooded out, and 3/4 of its population displaced.  Does anyone here think that a couple hundred million poor Muslims, made further poor and refugees, will not form a fertile recruiting ground for al Qaeda, or whatever successor organization decides to exploit them?

Bill Clinton was just pointing out some of the long term consequences and alternaives.  Conservatives, whose idea of &quot;long term&quot; does not appear to extend beyond the next five minutes, have to start examining some reality.


I await the stram of personal insults that inevitably constitute &quot;valid rebuttals&quot; on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Re: &#8220;But it would be nice if you dropped the links from Clinton/Soros groups trying to spin this and actually admit that the goal of global warming alarmists is to slow the growth of the U.S. economy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes it would.  And I apologize for positng from a partisian source as they are usually not reliable.  I certainly do not trust links to FoxNews.  And thank you for posting better sources that I did in my hurry to get my post in.</p>
<p>Regarding a future of poverty:<br />
Global Warming will exact its cost, one way or another.  One of the fictions of Conservative propoganda (particularly the Cato Institute) is that environmental damage and its subsequent effects are &#8220;free&#8221;.  There will be a cost, whether it is the costs of the movement of formerly tropical diseases to norther latitudes, flooding from storm surges, reduced water flow due to lessened snowpack (the Colorado River), or other costs.  They are real and they will happen, no matter what you and I put in print:  Nature is not impressed.</p>
<p>The only question is where that cost will land.</p>
<p>Add to that the increased wars that will result as countries are flooded due to rising oceal levels (not in the next ten years, as Conservatives falsly assert Al Gore said).  For example Bangladesh, one of ht emost populous Muslim nations in the world, will see about half of its area flooded out, and 3/4 of its population displaced.  Does anyone here think that a couple hundred million poor Muslims, made further poor and refugees, will not form a fertile recruiting ground for al Qaeda, or whatever successor organization decides to exploit them?</p>
<p>Bill Clinton was just pointing out some of the long term consequences and alternaives.  Conservatives, whose idea of &#8220;long term&#8221; does not appear to extend beyond the next five minutes, have to start examining some reality.</p>
<p>I await the stram of personal insults that inevitably constitute &#8220;valid rebuttals&#8221; on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Al Qaeda and Those Who Coddle Them...&lt;/strong&gt;

Podcast Show Notes
Al Qaeda reaches a new low: usings downs syndrome sufferers as human bombs. (Hat Tip: Sister Toljah) while the Berkley City Council attacks our brave Marines and their recruiters as uninivted and unwelcomed. Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p><strong>Al Qaeda and Those Who Coddle Them&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Podcast Show Notes<br />
Al Qaeda reaches a new low: usings downs syndrome sufferers as human bombs. (Hat Tip: Sister Toljah) while the Berkley City Council attacks our brave Marines and their recruiters as uninivted and unwelcomed. Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.  It is even funnier when they say these quotes were taken out of context (maybe you should have found a video even longer than the ABC one)  I mean it is not like you didn&#039;t link to the entire speach.... oppps  you did link to it...

Man, I have been on UH-60s whose rotors spun less than these leftists do trying to defend their idol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Yes.  It is even funnier when they say these quotes were taken out of context (maybe you should have found a video even longer than the ABC one)  I mean it is not like you didn&#8217;t link to the entire speach&#8230;. oppps  you did link to it&#8230;</p>
<p>Man, I have been on UH-60s whose rotors spun less than these leftists do trying to defend their idol.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris: Seems the lefties are a bit sensitive to Clinton&#039;s unfortunate remarks.

Kind of let the cat out of the bag didn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Chris: Seems the lefties are a bit sensitive to Clinton&#8217;s unfortunate remarks.</p>
<p>Kind of let the cat out of the bag didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MediaMatters and thinkprogress...  Wow, an &quot;A List&quot; of leftist propaganda sites you have.</description>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meme:

We know what Clinton said. And the entire comment is linked in the post.

But it would be nice if you dropped the links from Clinton/Soros groups trying to spin this and actually admit that the goal of global warming alarmists is to slow the growth of the U.S. economy.

That&#039;s in fact is their goal, whether or not you want to admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>meme:</p>
<p>We know what Clinton said. And the entire comment is linked in the post.</p>
<p>But it would be nice if you dropped the links from Clinton/Soros groups trying to spin this and actually admit that the goal of global warming alarmists is to slow the growth of the U.S. economy.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s in fact is their goal, whether or not you want to admit it.</p>
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		<title>By: memekiller</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2008/01/31/bill-clinton-we-just-have-to-slow-down-our-economy-to-fight-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-14203</link>
		<dc:creator>memekiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The journalist who printed this quote has admitted it was out of context. Even the National Review and Cato Institute have said this quote is not accurate. If you look down in the very column where this came from, the quote is actually as follows: 

 

&quot;And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada -- the rich counties -- would say, &#039;OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions &#039;cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.&#039; We could do that. 

&quot;But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world&#039;s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work. 

&quot;And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn&#039;t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She&#039;ll give it to you. She&#039;s got the right energy plan.&quot;

 

References:

 

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/bill-clinton-climate-and-the-instanet/?hp

 

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801310009?f=h_top 

 

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/31/tapper-clinton-warming/ 

 

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14426.html

 

http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8637.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The journalist who printed this quote has admitted it was out of context. Even the National Review and Cato Institute have said this quote is not accurate. If you look down in the very column where this came from, the quote is actually as follows: </p>
<p>&#8220;And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada &#8212; the rich counties &#8212; would say, &#8216;OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions &#8217;cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.&#8217; We could do that. </p>
<p>&#8220;But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world&#8217;s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work. </p>
<p>&#8220;And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn&#8217;t. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future… If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She&#8217;ll give it to you. She&#8217;s got the right energy plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>References:</p>
<p><a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/bill-clinton-climate-and-the-instanet/?hp" rel="nofollow">http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/bill-clinton-climate-and-the-instanet/?hp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200801310009?f=h_top" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/items/200801310009?f=h_top</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/31/tapper-clinton-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/31/tapper-clinton-warming/</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14426.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14426.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8637.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/8637.html</a></p>
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