CentFla, I fundamentally don’t believe that closing the border is the end-all way to control the illegals. To me it’s a national security issue. You can get illegals just by having them overstay their visas. Also, no matter what kind of fence you build, it’s only as good as your willingness to deal with breaches.

The key to not having any more illegals is to make it difficult for them to find employment. If you treat the current ones as highly important, there is not way to do this. As I said many times before, imagine for a moment that there is a wide consensus to get rid of the illegals already here. Imagine for the sake of argument that we stop all deportations other than for serious crimes, but anyone convicted of employing an illegal in any capacity gets (again, for the sake of argument) a mandatory 10 year jail sentence and imagine that there is an easy to use and unambiguous government service (or at least a government service that’s good enough that when you use it properly you can’t go to jail) that tells you something worthwhile about the holder of a particular SSN seeking employment. How long do you think it will be before 90%+ of the illegals self-deport and the new ones stop arriving?

I despise Bush for his position on immigration. In fact I don’t like Bush at all other than for his steadfastness on Iraq. Juan Hernandez that I write about with respect to McCain first made contact with Bush years ago. McCain to me is pretty much the same as Bush, but a better military strategist. His temper and estimated lifespan are worrisome. He seems more random, and Bush more deliberate. McCain seems more predisposed than Bush to champion typical liberal causes, like Global Warming. Bush is hesitant, but McCain is gung ho, so he is somewhat worse. They are equally pre-disposed to twist the truth. The Republicans can’t freely express their vitriol towards Bush because of how the Democrats have demonized him on Iraq. If they express any significant (meaning with consequences) vitriol, Bush will lose in Iraq. It’s a terrible situation, but the thought of 4 or 8 years of this is too much. It was so hard to defeat the Amnesty with the current Congress. What are the chances that it will not pass once in the next 8 years? And then it’s over, they got the Z visas, and you can’t put the genie back into the bottle. Game over.

Reagan made a mistake. He knew he made a mistake. I listened to Ed Meese last night. He said Reagan made a mistake, but we have to learn from our mistakes. I didn’t like Reagan THAT much, but he had a magical ability to project gravitas and he could communicate so well. He was just so much better for the country than either of the two clowns.

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спасибо Igor, to me the issue is closing the border. It won’t matter what level of forgiveness we allow if we don’t stop the bleeding. The illegals here now are an important part of the current economy. But if we don’t do something to stop this level of immigration we are doomed. McCain has sworn he will seal the border.

You and I argue about this all the time. I respect your point of view even if I rant uncontrolably otherwise at times. The point to Medved’s quote is that Bush gets a pass on his position on immigration – no vitriol there. Reagan passed straight amnesty – no hatred there. But McCain in unforgiven. I just don’t get it.

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CentFla, I would vote for him in a nanosecond if I knew with any degree of certainty that he wouldn’t get the Amnesty done. As it happens, I don’t really like W other than on Iraq and believe he is a very poor communicator, which has cost the country and the Republican party.

I wish you many happy hours of listening to медведь in sunny Флорида.

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Igor, you’re wrong again and Michael Medved is right. This is all personal because McCain was the first conservative to have the sack to tell us all that W was wrong about many, many things. Because of your liberal-like persoanl attacks you all now have MDS (McCain Derrangment Syndrom) another Liberal creation that you all are showing.

He is Conservative, regarless of how many times you say he isn’t. The fact is that he just is not conservative enough for you. Was Reagan a liberal when he passed a real Amnesty act? The first step to feeling better is for all of you simply to admit that, as Medved has now.

You are right about his name meaning bear however – очень хорошо

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Rush explained this morning that it’s not personal. It’s ridiculous to think it’s personal. Everybody knows that McCain will push the Amnesty through. Today there is an AP report that McCain lied about the reasons why he opposed Bush’s tax cuts (it was class warfare, not lack of spending cuts). Medved, which means “bear” as in “grizzly bear”, in Russian is acting more like the lap dog of the open border advocates.

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LOL! As if there’s not leftnutjobs out there who, “do not have an option. It could be “0 out of 10″ vs “0 out of 10″ and they would still have to vote Democrat.”

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My point is that Conservatives do not have an option. It could be “0 out of 10″ vs “0 out of 10″ and they would still have to vote Republican.

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If McCain’s the nominee, conservative voters have two options. Choose the 0 out of 10 Democrat nominee, and hope for something better in four years, or choose the 1 out of 10 “Republican” nominee and hope for something better in 8.

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“Acting like Liberals” appears to be the standard Conservative alibi when Conservatives really ‘act like Conservatives”.

Whether it is sliming political opponents with innuendo about their fathering inter-racial children (The Bush Campaign against John McCain), or runaway government spending (the Republican Congress and President from 2002 to 2006), Conservatives always give speeches about “Conservative ideals”, but in truth they NEVER live up to them. And when their fellow Conservative can no longer hid from consequences of True Conservatism IN ACTION, the re-christen their (former) heros as “Liberals”.

Reality is that Geroge W.Bush is exactly the kind of President that Conservatives wanted: spending government money to stay in office, appointing and keeping incompetent hacks in office in order to reward loyalty.

That is real Conservatism.

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Yea lets just turn 180 Deg. You all are saying lets accept him instead of fighting. This isn’t over until the fat lady sings. I personally will never listen to Medved again. His give us Barabas act makes me want to upchuck.

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