You goons… That SSG son of Sue Datta is my brother. His right arm has a nasty fasciotomy scar from his palm through his elbow, and on his outer forearm winding up to his triceps.

His last name starts with K. I dare not offer him up to those who can’t get past their own “confirmation bias” – look that psychological term up.

LA Times didn’t do shoddy reporting. You make silly assumptions about what a mother would risk about her son being a target of acidic vitriol like you put out. He already got hit by an IED. And about whether an injury would be published in a newspaper… His right arm suffered a severed artery and a partially severed nerve, and his right arm often suffers from severe pain. Thank God he had body armor, because the piece of shrapnel that hit him square in the chest merely put a hole in his shirt and scared him. He looked down, saw he wasn’t dead, took a deep happy breath, and then realized his right arm was all curled up and bleeding fast.

What else do you think LA Times made up?

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Yawn…rhetoric compelling, suggesting, or supporting a withdrawal from Iraq at this point is sheer distraction from the reality that it’s begun, it was ordered/started in September, and as long as things don’t get worse the withdrawal will continue until the 2008 election. Yes, some troops are likely to remain in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi govt (and in support of UN resolutions like 1483 which compel the US to stay in Iraq by UN demand), to aid the Iraqi govt, to continue training Iraqi forces to do the job so that Americans don’t have to, and of course to FIGHT AL QUEDA. Even with all that, the fact is that unless some sort of dramatic counter-surge happens, the US IS withdrawing from Iraq.

Demand, suggest, compel, call-for, withdrawal while it’s happening is absolutely pure political propaganda. Even the Democratic Party base isn’t buying the DNC’s 2006 promise to force and end to the war anymore. They didn’t even really try (a non-binding resolution is an oxymoron, not an example of action), and American forces are coming home because they’ve done their job more effectively, brilliantly, and with greater professionalism than any other generation before them…all with support from the American people that waxed and waned due to the deliberate disinformation and political propaganda put forth by the Democratic Party’s leaders, owners, and controllers as demonstrated by today’s articles and rhetoric that suggests, compels, and/or demands unconditional withdrawal or premature evacuation even while a successful return home has already started.

The left’s rhetoric has been proven hollow even to their own base by their own inaction, incorrect action, and the success of American troops-a success that is unprecedented in American history and even world military history. Praise them? Nah, better to use them as political tools to rant against a lame duck President so as to prevent him from being re-elected and to distract from the party’s ineptitude and impotence with Congressional power.

Right?

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Seal Patriot: There’s only one poll that matters and it’s held on election day.

Opinion polls may indicate trends or provide a snapshot of what a small slice of Americans are thinking.

But of course there is a lot of bias in how the poll questions are written, and how the results are weighted statistically in an attempt to make the result more reflective of the wider population.

Most opinion polls are crap, and they always under-represent the conservative viewpoint.

The best tool I’ve found to help understand polls in the election process is the Real Clear Politics polling averages which combine the results of a number of different polls. The charts especially are a good indicator of trends in a candidate’s strength or weakness:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/charts/2008_election_primaries/republican_primaries_chart.html

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Okay, I am sorry if this puts a burden on anybody. However, I see polls all the time. None of them are cohesive, well not all the time. How can I tell if the poll that I am reading is accurate? Is there a way to determine if the data I am being given is solid? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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To say I am disgusted but not surprised would be no surprise. The MSM has consistently lied, distorted, outright fabricated fabricated, and propagandized for the enemy and for leftist seditious, partisan reasons. More and more people are waking up and seeing that the Dems and MSM have been lying about the US losing/failing/whatever else negative on the war effort. It reeks of elitist arrogance when we witness the MSM create lie after dirty lie that is so easily refuted.

But then the left is behind us all the way…. with a sharp knife for our backs, a gag for our mouths, and an operations/intelligence ‘leak’ for our enemies…. A truism sadly repeated almost daily.

On a lighter note, Igor, you should write for The People’s Cube! “Peace through Honorable Defeat!” is dead on about the left, their idiotic doublespeak, and their insane, self-hating, ‘blame America first, last and always” mentality!

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That’s right. Military families reject victory, they’ve now been convinced that honorable defeat is the only way to go. I can feel a new slogan coming for the Democratic Party: “Peace through Honorable Defeat!”. Victory leads to animosity from other cultures and loss of respect for them, and defeat only to contempt by other cultures, which is instructive. We must lose for the sake of the children so that they are not hated! The children demand defeat! The only war worth fighting with all our strength is the war on Global Warming because that’s a war against ourselves, and how can that be wrong???

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Mr. Robison probably has some information that I’m not seeing, but searching for her son under her name in a database and not finding it doesn’t mean he doesn’t exist. My husband’s last name is not the same as his mother’s.

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Your gallop stuff has already been debunked in an earlier thread to which you never respond as usually is the case. That old poll was not the one cited:

http://www.military.com/pollresults?poll_id=3101&poll_frame_src=/votingpoll/results.do

One of these days you may get something right John but for now your batting a big fat zero.

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Curt most Americans do not think that going to war in Iraq was worth it.http://www.gallup.com/poll/1633/Iraq.aspx
Gallup indicates a pretty constant high 50s low 40s over the last 6 months.
Now as to the Military.com poll Curt did you personally look at that poll ? I did
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,142665,00.html
The poll report is titled ‘War Support Waning”
The Military.com poll shows that among the 5400+ respondents
WHEN SHOULD AMERICAN TROOPS WITHDRAW FROM IRAQ
they were given 3 choices for answers
#! The end of 2008. That’s plenty of time.
#2 Now. We’re wasting lives and resources
#3 Not until the insurgency is totally defeated.

17% The end of 2008
41% Now
41% When the insurgency is defeated.

These numbers are about identical to the 6 Gallup polls. The military.com poll was done in July ’07

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