Bill O’Reilly at his best…which doesn’t happen often so you gotta watch it:
8 Dec
What Interrogation Techniques Would You Use?
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Saturday, December 8th, 2007 at 4:24 pm | 24 views
Turley makes circular arguments that go no where. He would rather people die than find the truth. I remember a senate debate on assassination, when Kennedy said better a million people die than the assassination of a foreign head of state. This is the type of thinking that brought on the Nazi death camps.
As I have said before torture is a very poor way to get reliable actionable intelligence. Torture will give you a quick response that will be the truth,a half truth, or a lie.
The only good example of torture actually working is when Christian Europe used it against the Satanic witchcraft that was deemed responsible for the ills to which that society was being subjected.
Through the use of torture including water torture witches were forced to disclose the identity of all of the other witches that they knew including the deep cover “sleeper witches”
Thus Europe was saved.
Bill’s video is not coming up…
Torture is actually very efficient, which is why ‘secrets’ are disseminated on a ‘need to know’ basis – most folks don’t need to have their arm twisted – they’ll sing for mucho dinero, or just for the self-satisfaction that they vote for the other guy (who lost) in the last Presidential Election.
Sure, you can work over some guy and get a confession to some crime, real or imagined, but what you want here is some who, what, where, when…
Peel back the skin on some guys right thumb and ask him something you already know (or can verify), like, “What you say your name was again?” you may get an honest answer. Work the skin bag back to the elbow you might find out the real name of his mother-in-law. Well, at least you can verify the Mother’s name vs. relying solely on a ‘confession’.
Oddly enough, spritz some water into the nose and mouth of some skumbag Ron Jeremy look-a-like wanna-be-as-famous, he’ll cry like the little girl he raped a couple of years ago and sing like a disgruntled voter for the losing party, and you won’t even have to credit him like ‘V. Flame’.
John Ryan: Thousands of Americans are alive today because of aggressive interrogation techniques.
You know it and I know it.
Actionable intelligence gained from these techniques saved LIVES.
You are not only wrong, but STUPID!
Kudos to Curt for posting this and bravo, Bill O’Reilly!
Turley never stated what methods were humane, yet effective.
When it comes to interogating animals, there is no such thing as a humane, yet effective method.
My hat is off to the CIA- they got this one right. Who cares how we got the info. We got KSM and a lot more intelligence where that came from.
jainpix- great point.
One can logicaly argue weather it is right to torture someone under certain circumstance. Both sides can make a decent argument. HOWEVER people saying that torture is an inefective way to gain information are wrong. Torture is an inefective way to gain unvarifiable information or confesions, HOWEVER any thing that can be verifyed can quite efficiently be gathered with torture.
If you don’t believe me ask yourself this. If a robber kidnapped you and wanted your ATM number and started to torture you are you honestly going to tell me that you would not give it to him. Espeially if he is sitting right outside the ATM and every time you lie he spends another hour working you over. If you try to claim otherwise then you are either a fool or a liar.
Every one has a breaking point. Even John McCain a strong anti torture advocte admits that. And when the person reaches that point they will tell you the truth OR a lie if they don’t know the truth. That’s why torture doesn’t work for a confesion, However for learning where the bomb is or where they are meeting Osama it can work quite well.
If you want to claim that torture is a slippery slope I can see your point, If one wants to claim that we loose a measure of humanity as a society, I can agree. But if you say that torture doesn’t get results in certain situations and doesn’t work, then you simply show your ignorance on the subject.
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I really regret not doing a follow-up question to Senator McCain about the lives saved by aggressive interrogation. If he comes back to my neighborhood again perhaps I will.
Here again is an excerpt from President Bush’s speech Sept. 2006 on what we learned from Abu Zubayda:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060906-3.html
This just in:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316246,00.html
Who didn’t see that coming?
And who wants to bet that Republicans will roll over and play dead and let Dems appoint another Fitzgerald to turn this minor event into another Plamegate?
Waterboarding. The Special Forces and Navy Seals call it a training tactic used on their own. Democrats call it torture when used on those that would murder millions of Americans if given the chance. Makes sense if you are mentally retarded or really, really stupid. Don’t be shocked in a few months when you ‘find’ out that millions of American kids are using waterboarding as fun and games to see who’s tough and who’s a wimp. You can’t torture someone if they come out without mental or physical injuries. It’s simply a fear factor.
This man is willing to try and execute his man if he gives no information, but he thinks that torture is wrong.
Turley is the perfect example of the “sheep, sheepdogs, and wolves” analogy. He and his type are and always will be sheep, easy prey for the wolves of this world. To expect him and his ink to understand or much less embrace something other than a sheep mindset, is ridiculous. He is, no, they are fortunate that there are sheepdogs (men and women) ready to take up their fight and protect them from the predators that inhabit the world. This also brings to mind the quote, “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
After listening to Turley, Rosie O’Donnell is a better man than him!
Dawg
Gosh, I guess Turdley hates Americans who could be killed by these guys and loves the terrorists so much that he would protect them from any “uncomfortable” feeling. This guy is a typical effete intellectual boob. No common sense. Just sticks to his “principles”. I’d hate to have people like him in charge of our intelligence service. What am I saying? We have too many people like him in the CIA already. You know. The traitors who tip off the traitorous NY Slims and Washington Compost.
Can any of those here who love the idea that human beings are officially being tortured by their government document a single cse of a ticking time bomb (the “24″ example we always hear as justification) found via the use of torture?