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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/12/04/shadow-warriors-at-work-on-the/comment-page-1/#comment-9193</link>
		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe we should start worrying about the problems in our own country for a change?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s a flawed question, dontblameme.  It&#039;s the &quot;books not bombs&quot; meme.  Neither domestic nor foreign issues should be ignored.  And without paying attention to those who pose a threat to our national security, all those domestic issues we both care about won&#039;t amount to a hill o&#039; beans in this crazy world.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would the intelligence community lie and put our country in danger? You think it is all because they dont like George Bush? I find that hard to believe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why?  Why do you find it hard to believe that people are human, and have their own personal feelings and political agendas?  I think they do what they do because they believe what they are doing is in the country&#039;s best interest.  And in the process, they are undermining current U.S. policies, as put forth by the current Administration for whom they should be working for.  There have been officials in the CIA and State Dept who from day one have undermined Bush policy.  And in the process, they HAVE hurt America.  Read &quot;Shadow Wariors&quot;. Kenneth Timmerman sources his partisan book very well.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><blockquote><p>Maybe we should start worrying about the problems in our own country for a change?</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a flawed question, dontblameme.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;books not bombs&#8221; meme.  Neither domestic nor foreign issues should be ignored.  And without paying attention to those who pose a threat to our national security, all those domestic issues we both care about won&#8217;t amount to a hill o&#8217; beans in this crazy world.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why would the intelligence community lie and put our country in danger? You think it is all because they dont like George Bush? I find that hard to believe.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why?  Why do you find it hard to believe that people are human, and have their own personal feelings and political agendas?  I think they do what they do because they believe what they are doing is in the country&#8217;s best interest.  And in the process, they are undermining current U.S. policies, as put forth by the current Administration for whom they should be working for.  There have been officials in the CIA and State Dept who from day one have undermined Bush policy.  And in the process, they HAVE hurt America.  Read &#8220;Shadow Wariors&#8221;. Kenneth Timmerman sources his partisan book very well.</p>
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		<title>By: dontblameme</title>
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		<dc:creator>dontblameme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would the intelligence community lie and put our country in danger? You think it is all because they dont like George Bush? I find that hard to believe. Frankly, who knows what Iran&#039;s actually doing. One side says Iran is a tourist attraction; the other says they are cloning Hitler. Maybe we should start worrying about the problems in our own country for a change? Or is that not exciting enough for you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Why would the intelligence community lie and put our country in danger? You think it is all because they dont like George Bush? I find that hard to believe. Frankly, who knows what Iran&#8217;s actually doing. One side says Iran is a tourist attraction; the other says they are cloning Hitler. Maybe we should start worrying about the problems in our own country for a change? Or is that not exciting enough for you?</p>
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		<title>By: John  Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John  Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course many in the intelligence field realize that in 11 months there will be an election and the chances are quite good that a Democrat will be in the White House.
It will be in about 9 months that the Democratic nominee will receive his/her own briefing.
Iran has not shown any inclination to commit national suicide, most Americans are more worried about Pakistan than in the possibility that Iran will have A nuclear weapon in 2015.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Of course many in the intelligence field realize that in 11 months there will be an election and the chances are quite good that a Democrat will be in the White House.<br />
It will be in about 9 months that the Democratic nominee will receive his/her own briefing.<br />
Iran has not shown any inclination to commit national suicide, most Americans are more worried about Pakistan than in the possibility that Iran will have A nuclear weapon in 2015.</p>
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		<title>By: Rovin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard:

Consider that on July 11, 2007, roughly four or so months prior to the most recent NIEÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s publication, Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar gave the following testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (emphasis added):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United StatesÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of IranÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons--despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/12/nie_an_abrupt_aboutface.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;


Can we say &quot;agenda-driven&quot; Mr. Fingar needs to be shown the door?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>From Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard:</p>
<p>Consider that on July 11, 2007, roughly four or so months prior to the most recent NIEÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s publication, Deputy Director of Analysis Thomas Fingar gave the following testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United StatesÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of IranÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons&#8211;despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.</p></blockquote>
<p> <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/12/nie_an_abrupt_aboutface.asp" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
<p>Can we say &#8220;agenda-driven&#8221; Mr. Fingar needs to be shown the door?</p>
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		<title>By: Cop The Truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cop The Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Iran is Still a Threat UPDATED John Bolton: Is the NIE Political?&lt;/strong&gt;

It amazes me that the Liberals, who have been saying for years that our intelligence sources can&#039;t be trusted in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, have now seized the new Iran NIE as absolute gospel. It also seems strange
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<p>It amazes me that the Liberals, who have been saying for years that our intelligence sources can&#8217;t be trusted in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion, have now seized the new Iran NIE as absolute gospel. It also seems strange</p>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Bill Roggio:

&lt;blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve been investigating the story of Iran&#039;s activities inside Iraq for almost two months. During the investigation, I&#039;ve found out the names of all three commands of Iran&#039;s Ramazan Corps, the Qods Force entity created to conduct operations in Iraq. I also received a map detailing the ratlines for weapons and fighters for the southern and central regions from Iran into Iraq. Much of the information in this report is not in the public sphere. I have created a Flash Presentation to detail these ratlines.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/irans_ramazan_corps.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iran&#039;s Ramazan Corps and the ratlines into Iraq&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>From Bill Roggio:</p>
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<p>I&#8217;ve been investigating the story of Iran&#8217;s activities inside Iraq for almost two months. During the investigation, I&#8217;ve found out the names of all three commands of Iran&#8217;s Ramazan Corps, the Qods Force entity created to conduct operations in Iraq. I also received a map detailing the ratlines for weapons and fighters for the southern and central regions from Iran into Iraq. Much of the information in this report is not in the public sphere. I have created a Flash Presentation to detail these ratlines.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2007/12/irans_ramazan_corps.php" rel="nofollow">Iran&#8217;s Ramazan Corps and the ratlines into Iraq</a></p>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couple of links of interest:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120401772.html?hpid=opinionsbox1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post editorial&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;While U.S. intelligence agencies have &quot;high confidence&quot; that covert work on a bomb was suspended &quot;for at least several years&quot; after 2003, there is only &quot;moderate confidence&quot; that Tehran has not restarted the military program. Iran&#039;s massive overt investment in uranium enrichment meanwhile proceeds in defiance of binding U.N. resolutions, even though Tehran has no legitimate use for enriched uranium. The U.S. estimate of when Iran might produce enough enriched uranium for a bomb -- sometime between late 2009 and the middle of the next decade -- hasn&#039;t changed.

&quot;Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons,&quot; says the summary&#039;s second sentence. Yet within hours of the report&#039;s release, European diplomats and some U.S officials were saying that it could kill an arduous American effort to win support for a third U.N. Security Council resolution sanctioning Iran for failing to suspend uranium enrichment. It could also hinder separate U.S.-French efforts to create a new sanctions coalition outside the United Nations. In other words, &lt;b&gt;the new report may have the effect of neutering the very strategy of pressure that it says might be effective if &quot;intensified.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And what is the reaction in Iran?  It&#039;s the &quot;hot news&quot; in &lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tehran Times&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;U.S. must &#039;pay the price&#039; for nuclear accusations

Iran said Tuesday the Bush administration must &quot;&quot;pay the price&quot;&quot; for what it called &quot;&quot;lies&quot;&quot; concerning Tehran&#039;s nuclear program.

On its Web site, Iran&#039;s official Islamic Republic News Agency called the updated estimate &quot;&quot;a necessary and positive step in Tehran-Washington relations, but undoubtedly is not sufficient.&quot;&quot;

&quot;&quot;The U.S. administration should know that only admitting a mistake is not enough,&quot;&quot; the IRNA report said.

Iranian government spokesman Gholam-Hossein Elham, quoted on the IRNA site, was more harsh but offered no specifics.

&quot;&quot;U.S. officials have so far inflicted ... damage on the Iranian nation by spreading lies against the country and by disturbing public opinion, therefore, they have to pay the price for their action,&quot;&quot; Elham is quoted as saying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a&gt;More here&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Couple of links of interest:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120401772.html?hpid=opinionsbox1" rel="nofollow">Washington Post editorial</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>While U.S. intelligence agencies have &#8220;high confidence&#8221; that covert work on a bomb was suspended &#8220;for at least several years&#8221; after 2003, there is only &#8220;moderate confidence&#8221; that Tehran has not restarted the military program. Iran&#8217;s massive overt investment in uranium enrichment meanwhile proceeds in defiance of binding U.N. resolutions, even though Tehran has no legitimate use for enriched uranium. The U.S. estimate of when Iran might produce enough enriched uranium for a bomb &#8212; sometime between late 2009 and the middle of the next decade &#8212; hasn&#8217;t changed.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tehran at a minimum is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons,&#8221; says the summary&#8217;s second sentence. Yet within hours of the report&#8217;s release, European diplomats and some U.S officials were saying that it could kill an arduous American effort to win support for a third U.N. Security Council resolution sanctioning Iran for failing to suspend uranium enrichment. It could also hinder separate U.S.-French efforts to create a new sanctions coalition outside the United Nations. In other words, <b>the new report may have the effect of neutering the very strategy of pressure that it says might be effective if &#8220;intensified.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>And what is the reaction in Iran?  It&#8217;s the &#8220;hot news&#8221; in <a href="" rel="nofollow">Tehran Times</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>U.S. must &#8216;pay the price&#8217; for nuclear accusations</p>
<p>Iran said Tuesday the Bush administration must &#8220;&#8221;pay the price&#8221;" for what it called &#8220;&#8221;lies&#8221;" concerning Tehran&#8217;s nuclear program.</p>
<p>On its Web site, Iran&#8217;s official Islamic Republic News Agency called the updated estimate &#8220;&#8221;a necessary and positive step in Tehran-Washington relations, but undoubtedly is not sufficient.&#8221;"</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;The U.S. administration should know that only admitting a mistake is not enough,&#8221;" the IRNA report said.</p>
<p>Iranian government spokesman Gholam-Hossein Elham, quoted on the IRNA site, was more harsh but offered no specifics.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;U.S. officials have so far inflicted &#8230; damage on the Iranian nation by spreading lies against the country and by disturbing public opinion, therefore, they have to pay the price for their action,&#8221;" Elham is quoted as saying.</p></blockquote>
<p><a>More here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Monica-Not in Philly anymore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monica-Not in Philly anymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Curt!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Thanks, Curt!</p>
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		<title>By: Angel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They will believe a man who calls for the destruction of Israel and who believes the Holocaust never happened over our President.

Just amazing.........Actually quite predictable my friend!..Brilliant overview!:)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>They will believe a man who calls for the destruction of Israel and who believes the Holocaust never happened over our President.</p>
<p>Just amazing&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Actually quite predictable my friend!..Brilliant overview!:)</p>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NIE says:
I&#039;ve got a rifle barrel
I&#039;ve got a rifle stock
I&#039;m working on a trigger assy.
I&#039;ve got the shell casings
I&#039;ve got the powder
I&#039;m building a mold for the bullets
I&#039;m buying the primers on the black market

I&#039;m not building a rifle, just using up some excess materiel.

What a bunch of freaken idiots. Will they cry when their own families die from the gun I didn&#039;t build?

The silly season is in, known as election time, and supported by the enemy within.

At least the gunboat tactics of the Bush administration appears to have worked. Libya gave up it&#039;s nuc program and materiel without a shot fired. North Korea is giving up (they tell us) their nuc program without a shot fired. Iran gave up its nuc bomb program (we are told) when the U.S. took out Saddam. The time line fits but I don&#039;t believe the enemy within the U.S. intel services. Israel took out a nuc bomb assembly plant in Syria, where did they get the materiel to assemble a nuc bomb?  Saddam or Iran?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>NIE says:<br />
I&#8217;ve got a rifle barrel<br />
I&#8217;ve got a rifle stock<br />
I&#8217;m working on a trigger assy.<br />
I&#8217;ve got the shell casings<br />
I&#8217;ve got the powder<br />
I&#8217;m building a mold for the bullets<br />
I&#8217;m buying the primers on the black market</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not building a rifle, just using up some excess materiel.</p>
<p>What a bunch of freaken idiots. Will they cry when their own families die from the gun I didn&#8217;t build?</p>
<p>The silly season is in, known as election time, and supported by the enemy within.</p>
<p>At least the gunboat tactics of the Bush administration appears to have worked. Libya gave up it&#8217;s nuc program and materiel without a shot fired. North Korea is giving up (they tell us) their nuc program without a shot fired. Iran gave up its nuc bomb program (we are told) when the U.S. took out Saddam. The time line fits but I don&#8217;t believe the enemy within the U.S. intel services. Israel took out a nuc bomb assembly plant in Syria, where did they get the materiel to assemble a nuc bomb?  Saddam or Iran?</p>
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