I hope they burn that whole disgusting country down…

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Excellent comments Chris and John. In fact I put them up on the main post for those people who usually don’t read comments.

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John,

Very insightful. I have only visited France on occasion in the late 90s while stationed in Germany. Even then I visited only Metz, Ruen, and the Normandy Coast.

I know France, under Chirac, had enormous illicit financial ties with Saddam, however, the Algerian Connection is also paramount.

AQ, though losing on every other front, could see France as their “Battle of the Bulge”. It could turn into their “Marianas Turkey Shoot” (with them being the turkeys) or solidly subdue France. Either may wake the Western World up to the need to not only defend itself, but accept that Western Culture, History, and Thought is worth defending (reversing years of “multi-culturalist” indoctrination).

With AQ fanatics, or subsidiaries thereof, bombing “neutral” France, the world would have to face the reality the Israelis have been yelling from the mountain top for years. That being “when these islamofascists say they want to kill you, believe them and defend yourselves or suffer.”

Every event is a “crossroads in history”. This one may be much larger than others. I wonder which fork we will take.

Will there be another Charles Martel for France?

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Going back to the MSM media coverage at the beginnings of the war with Iraq one of the most egregious failures, among many, was the analysis of the lack of support from France. Of course, the conventional explanation, as it is for almost everything, was that this was the result of the George Bush go-it-alone style and the arrogance of the Bush administration. This simplistic view is nonsense. France’s foreign policy has been strongly influenced by a desire not to offend French Muslims and thereby avoid domestic unrest among the young French Muslim population. Not until there were the first riots some years back did the MSM “thought leaders” discover what is actually going on.

France has a huge domestic problem that has been festering for at least forty years. There is a sizeable minority population made up of North Africans, often Algerian, and Black Africans from the former French colonies. The young men of this population are disproportionately poor, disenfranchised, angry and violent. They are also, usually Muslim. I have lived in France at various times since the seventies and have personally seen and been involved in incidents where this youthful anger turned aggressive.

Who is at fault for this situation is, of course, a complex question. Undeniably there is racism in France, but it is more than that. As we know from our experiences here in the U.S. once you have a poor, segregated, community locked into a cycle of poverty, it is difficult to turn that around regardless of good intentions or how much money and how many programs you throw at the problem.

In some ways, and I emphasize “some”, these riots are similar to riots we have had in the U.S. in the poor African-American communities. However, there is potentially a BIG difference. Responsible African-American civil rights leaders have never promoted an allegiance to authority outside the U.S. as a solution for the problems they see being caused by a racist system. Responsible Black leaders in the U.S. argue the opposite. Their position is that African-Americans are first and foremost American and the problem is that they do not enjoy the same rights and guarantees as white Americans. In France, things may go in a different direction.

Because of the existence of radical Islamic thought, and because for many French Algerians the proximity both geographically and culturally of Algeria is very close and an alternative to French culture, there is the danger of a very destructive movement developing. If the aggressive young men involved in these riots go from being hooligans to seeing themselves as holy warriors in the Jihad against the West, France’s social problems and the potential for violence of great destructive force have increased geometrically. And, of course, I am sure that Al Qaeda is doing everything it can to exploit the situation. Believe me, if a young French North African suicide bomber attacks in Paris or any major French city this situation will go from unpleasant to very, very ugly in a heartbeat. And, I can guarantee that there are people in France worried about just such a possibility. The only upside I see to any of this is that I don’t think it can be blamed on President Bush, although let’s give the MSM time. They are an inventive lot.

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That didn’t qutoe exactly how I wanted it too…. Sorry. The full French Quote ends at “To sum up”

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French News Site

This is how MS Word translates Frech to English so my apologies for its literallness….

A situation which is considered alarming by the police officers on the spot. “We passed a stage in the explosion of urban violence, comments on Patrice Ribeiro. It is necessary today to speak about insurrection “. David Barbas, about the SNOP, first trade union of senior police officers, speaks on his side “of urban guerrilla warfare”. “Our colleagues on the ground are frightened, they are vis-a-vis organized young people super, very mobile and ready with all. It is very hot, they have really the feeling which one wants to kill out of the cop “. “The scuffles left much more quickly and with much more brutality than in 2005, Synergie Officers confirms. The young people were ready, they awaited a pretext for all of breaking and all to strip “.

What also changes compared to 2005, it is the rate of armament of the young delinquents. On the 82 wounded police officers Monday evening with Villiers-the-Beautiful and in the surrounding communes, about half were touched by shootings of shot. “The delinquents in these suburbs are useful themselves more and more of weapons. At the beginning, it was to make their exactions. Then they started to make use of it to regulate their accounts between bands. Now, it is against the police force that they use them “, comments on Synergie Officers.

Snop intends to require in the next hours of the ministry for the Interior to provide to the forces about the anti-riot equipment, and in particular of the weapons with plastic ball to allow an adapted response. It asks the closing of the stations gasolines as of fallen the night and, especially that the prefect of the Valley of Oise issues the emergency State in the cities concerned with violences

To sum up:

-This is not a “Youth” Riot, it is an insurrection

-Police and French citizens are frightened

-The “youths” are VERY well organized and mobile. There must be a higher level of planning and execution which leads back to the first point of this being an insurrection/hostile takeover.

-As with our inner city gangs in the US, the “youths” are armed with ILLEGAL firearms and were using them to enforce power between gangs, but are now using them against police. I emphasis “illegal” as the French Police have been intercepting shipments of banned weapons from Africa entering these areas.

-Police are responding, as US Police and other Western Police services would, with riot gear and less-than leathal weapons, but are running out of options.

-Areas are declaring states of emergency and shutting down infrastructure like gas stations.

Anyone besides me taking notes? I have no doubt this will become a more frquent occurance in the future.

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JihadWatch has already noted that the Associated Press is trying to turn this into a gun-control issue by declaring that:

Firearms are widespread in France, and police generally carry guns.

This is of course a lie. In order to have a firearm in France

An Aussie Firearms site for goes in depth on what firearms are allowed for civilians in France. Here is a hint: Just like in most countries, LEGAL firearms are are not the case here. However, ILLEAGAL firearms held by these Islamic “youths” are.

A more consise example is from Gunsworld.com

If you have to go to France and to practice self defense, you are in a pretty bad situation. Concealed carry is strictly fobidden, unless you are a policeman ON DUTY, or someone like that.

Nearly all autos calibers like .380 ACP, 9mm Para, .40S&W, and .45 ACP are considered as “war caliber” (1st category).

You can get AT MOST license for “war caliber” firearms (up to seven central percussion guns), and that’s exclusively for target shooting.

For self defense, you will no more have the choice, if you can get a license for a such purpose (the frenchies are very restrictive), between .32 ACP, .38 Spal and .357 Magnum (4th category) those guns can be bought for Target shooting still with an authorisation.

It seems the AP is trying to push another agenda besides reporting the truth about WHO exactly these “youths” are and WHAT is really driving them. To the AP’s credit, they at least are stating these youths are Arabic and North African. It is left to the reader to actually do the research on the topic though.

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“The police say some officers suffered bullet wounds, while others were hurt by stones, fireworks and petrol bombs.”

Fireworks? Wonder if these rioting Muzzies are relatives of the SC “fireworks enthusiasts?”

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