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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Why Our Military is So Hated Around the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Why Our Military is So Hated Around the World</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] are examples of the evil that American soldiers do, terrorizing the &#8220;native brown people&#8221;:  The Best [...]</description>
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		<description>[...] settlement of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan You want peace and stability? It won&#8217;t be the anti-war movement that achieves it. From the beginning, Obama&#8217;s symbolic 2002 position on Iraq has been very promising, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, everyone.

Eli Lake, it is another great article of yours, and I&#039;m happy to link it.  Thanks for writing it.


These &quot;thousands&quot; obviously didn&#039;t get &quot;the memo&quot; that their movement has already lost:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/ats-ap_top11oct27,0,7198949.story?coll=la-ap-topnews-headlines&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thousands Protest Iraq War Across U.S.&lt;/a&gt;

By JASON DEAREN, Associated Press Writer
7:00 PM PDT, October 27, 2007
SAN FRANCISCO -- Thousands of people called for a swift end to the war in Iraq as they marched through downtown on Saturday, chanting and carrying signs that read: &quot;Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die&quot; or &quot;Drop Tuition Not Bombs.&quot;

The streets were filled with thousands as labor union members, anti-war activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall before marching to Dolores Park.

As part of the demonstration, protesters fell on Market Street as part of a &quot;die in&quot; to commemorate the thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi citizens who have died since the conflict began in March 2003.

The protest was the largest in a series of war protests taking place in New York, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities, organizers said.

No official head count was available. Organizers of the event estimated about 30,000 people participated in San Francisco. It appeared that more than 10,000 people attended the march.

&quot;I got the sense that many people were at a demonstration for the first time,&quot; said Sarah Sloan, one of the event&#039;s organizers. &quot;That&#039;s something that&#039;s really changed. People have realized the right thing to do is to take to the streets.&quot;

In the shadow of the National Constitution Center and Independence Hall in Philadelphia, a few hundred protesters ranging from grade school-aged children to senior citizens called on President Bush to end funding for the war and bring troops home.

Marchers who braved severe wet weather during the walk of more than 30 blocks were met by people lining the sidewalks and clutching a long yellow ribbon over the final blocks before Independence Mall. There, the rally opened with songs and prayers by descendants of Lenape Indians.

&quot;Our signs are limp from the rain and the ground is soggy, but out spirits are high,&quot; said Bal Pinguel, of the American Friends Service Committee, one of the national sponsors of the event. &quot;The high price we are paying is the more than 3,800 troops who have been killed in the war in Iraq.&quot;

Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more rallies and more outrage.

&quot;Where&#039;s the outcry? Where&#039;s the horror that almost 4,000 Americans have died in a foreign country that we invaded?&quot; Robbins said. &quot;I&#039;m almost as angry at the American people as I am the president. I think Americans have become apathetic and placid about the whole thing.&quot;

In New York, among the thousands marching down Broadway was a man carrying cardboard peace doves. Some others dressed as prisoners, wearing the bright orange garb of Guantanamo Bay inmates and pushing a person in a cage.

In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a small group of Iraq war veterans.

At Occidental Park, where the protesters rallied after the march, the American Friends Service Committee displayed scores of combat boots, one pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Thanks for your comments, everyone.</p>
<p>Eli Lake, it is another great article of yours, and I&#8217;m happy to link it.  Thanks for writing it.</p>
<p>These &#8220;thousands&#8221; obviously didn&#8217;t get &#8220;the memo&#8221; that their movement has already lost:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/ats-ap_top11oct27,0,7198949.story?coll=la-ap-topnews-headlines" rel="nofollow">Thousands Protest Iraq War Across U.S.</a></p>
<p>By JASON DEAREN, Associated Press Writer<br />
7:00 PM PDT, October 27, 2007<br />
SAN FRANCISCO &#8212; Thousands of people called for a swift end to the war in Iraq as they marched through downtown on Saturday, chanting and carrying signs that read: &#8220;Wall Street Gets Rich, Iraqis and GIs Die&#8221; or &#8220;Drop Tuition Not Bombs.&#8221;</p>
<p>The streets were filled with thousands as labor union members, anti-war activists, clergy and others rallied near City Hall before marching to Dolores Park.</p>
<p>As part of the demonstration, protesters fell on Market Street as part of a &#8220;die in&#8221; to commemorate the thousands of American soldiers and Iraqi citizens who have died since the conflict began in March 2003.</p>
<p>The protest was the largest in a series of war protests taking place in New York, Los Angeles and other U.S. cities, organizers said.</p>
<p>No official head count was available. Organizers of the event estimated about 30,000 people participated in San Francisco. It appeared that more than 10,000 people attended the march.</p>
<p>&#8220;I got the sense that many people were at a demonstration for the first time,&#8221; said Sarah Sloan, one of the event&#8217;s organizers. &#8220;That&#8217;s something that&#8217;s really changed. People have realized the right thing to do is to take to the streets.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the shadow of the National Constitution Center and Independence Hall in Philadelphia, a few hundred protesters ranging from grade school-aged children to senior citizens called on President Bush to end funding for the war and bring troops home.</p>
<p>Marchers who braved severe wet weather during the walk of more than 30 blocks were met by people lining the sidewalks and clutching a long yellow ribbon over the final blocks before Independence Mall. There, the rally opened with songs and prayers by descendants of Lenape Indians.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our signs are limp from the rain and the ground is soggy, but out spirits are high,&#8221; said Bal Pinguel, of the American Friends Service Committee, one of the national sponsors of the event. &#8220;The high price we are paying is the more than 3,800 troops who have been killed in the war in Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>Vince Robbins, 51, of Mount Holly, N.J., said there needed to be more rallies and more outrage.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where&#8217;s the outcry? Where&#8217;s the horror that almost 4,000 Americans have died in a foreign country that we invaded?&#8221; Robbins said. &#8220;I&#8217;m almost as angry at the American people as I am the president. I think Americans have become apathetic and placid about the whole thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>In New York, among the thousands marching down Broadway was a man carrying cardboard peace doves. Some others dressed as prisoners, wearing the bright orange garb of Guantanamo Bay inmates and pushing a person in a cage.</p>
<p>In Seattle, thousands of marchers were led by a small group of Iraq war veterans.</p>
<p>At Occidental Park, where the protesters rallied after the march, the American Friends Service Committee displayed scores of combat boots, one pair for each U.S. solider killed in Iraq.
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skye: As you surely recall, Moron Dowd of the New York Times dubbed Muther Sheehan and the anti-war left with &quot;absolute moral authority.&quot;

That means they are free to set the agenda and daily demand more of others than they would deliver themselves.

And as you have noticed in your encounters, &quot;absolute moral authority&quot; tends to corrupt absolutely. Even to the point where it they become immoral.

Not one of these &quot;peace&quot; activists did one thing to stop the murder of Iraqi children under Saddam. Their claim of standing on a &quot;moral&quot; position rings hollow and cold.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Skye: As you surely recall, Moron Dowd of the New York Times dubbed Muther Sheehan and the anti-war left with &#8220;absolute moral authority.&#8221;</p>
<p>That means they are free to set the agenda and daily demand more of others than they would deliver themselves.</p>
<p>And as you have noticed in your encounters, &#8220;absolute moral authority&#8221; tends to corrupt absolutely. Even to the point where it they become immoral.</p>
<p>Not one of these &#8220;peace&#8221; activists did one thing to stop the murder of Iraqi children under Saddam. Their claim of standing on a &#8220;moral&#8221; position rings hollow and cold.</p>
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		<title>By: Skye</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the &#039;anti-war&#039; crowd is serious about opposing this liberation of Iraq, I&#039;ve long suggested they volunteer to be human shields.

I only pull that out when the libs oh-so-politely ask me to join the military and head off to the war I support. This has happened several times in my weekly visits to the Chester County Courthouse Rally.

It usually gets them to shut up, especially when I remind them that there is no age limit for becoming a human shield. If they truly believe in their cause, they should go to Iraq and shield little girls, preventing them from attending classes in their newly renovated schoolhouse. They should shield voting centers to prevent Iraqis from expressing their will through their vote. These are but a few examples of how anti-war protesters can stop..er...shield the Iraqis from the work of the Coalition forces.

They want me to fight for my beliefs....why don&#039;t they??




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>If the &#8216;anti-war&#8217; crowd is serious about opposing this liberation of Iraq, I&#8217;ve long suggested they volunteer to be human shields.</p>
<p>I only pull that out when the libs oh-so-politely ask me to join the military and head off to the war I support. This has happened several times in my weekly visits to the Chester County Courthouse Rally.</p>
<p>It usually gets them to shut up, especially when I remind them that there is no age limit for becoming a human shield. If they truly believe in their cause, they should go to Iraq and shield little girls, preventing them from attending classes in their newly renovated schoolhouse. They should shield voting centers to prevent Iraqis from expressing their will through their vote. These are but a few examples of how anti-war protesters can stop..er&#8230;shield the Iraqis from the work of the Coalition forces.</p>
<p>They want me to fight for my beliefs&#8230;.why don&#8217;t they??</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gayle found a great cartoon that would also go well here:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Gayle found a great cartoon that would also go well here:</p>
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		<title>By: Random U</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. It&#039;s nice to see the positive pictures from Iraq insted of the Doom and Gloom Main streem media.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Great article. It&#8217;s nice to see the positive pictures from Iraq insted of the Doom and Gloom Main streem media.</p>
<p>Random</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Lake</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was really powerful. Thanks for siting my column, but your points illustrating the humanitarian success of the war is devastating to the betray and abandon crowd.  When I sent my column to a few dems this week, their response was &quot;what anti-war movement?,&quot; to which I had to laugh. But I think for now those of us cautioning against the immediate withdrawal, or a retreat to bases, have the facts and moral reasoning on our side. Those that argue for a disengagement at this moment, not only second guess a winning general but advocate a ceding of the battle field not to Iraqi nationalists, but to the saboteurs of Iraq. Great post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>This was really powerful. Thanks for siting my column, but your points illustrating the humanitarian success of the war is devastating to the betray and abandon crowd.  When I sent my column to a few dems this week, their response was &#8220;what anti-war movement?,&#8221; to which I had to laugh. But I think for now those of us cautioning against the immediate withdrawal, or a retreat to bases, have the facts and moral reasoning on our side. Those that argue for a disengagement at this moment, not only second guess a winning general but advocate a ceding of the battle field not to Iraqi nationalists, but to the saboteurs of Iraq. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has to be one of the best posts I&#039;ve seen anywhere on the web all year long.  No BS.  It goes from academic to light-hearted in an instant with the cartoon, but the cartoon carries the academic into a string of reality checks which are followed by pictures that are in direct contradiction to the Democratic Party&#039;s leaders propaganda about Iraq.  In the end, it hits the nail on the head, and the hammer swing gets a 9.0 from the judges for form, fashion, style, grace, and efficiency.

(sorry, watched blades of steel last night ;p )
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I think this has to be one of the best posts I&#8217;ve seen anywhere on the web all year long.  No BS.  It goes from academic to light-hearted in an instant with the cartoon, but the cartoon carries the academic into a string of reality checks which are followed by pictures that are in direct contradiction to the Democratic Party&#8217;s leaders propaganda about Iraq.  In the end, it hits the nail on the head, and the hammer swing gets a 9.0 from the judges for form, fashion, style, grace, and efficiency.</p>
<p>(sorry, watched blades of steel last night ;p )</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brilliant Tour de Force presenatation Deputy Wordsmith! Bravo!

And the best line out of so many:

&lt;b&gt;&quot;The anti-war movement has lost the war.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>A brilliant Tour de Force presenatation Deputy Wordsmith! Bravo!</p>
<p>And the best line out of so many:</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The anti-war movement has lost the war.&#8221;</b></p>
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