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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/09/28/further-evidence-fisa-needs-to/comment-page-1/#comment-6844</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,
That is not the worst of it.  This whole &quot;Bush is spying on Americans&quot; crap is just that: crap.

This is how the program was working.  I am a Soldier.  I kill a terrorist.  He has a cell phone, computer, and notes, which I collect and give to the S2 (Bn/BDE intelligence officer).  He/she gives it to Division G2 who has the assets to translate and act upon the SIGINT.

Now, in the course of going through the computer and phone, G2 finds web browsing and email histories, along with the phone reconds and phone book from the cell.  All of these phone numbers and email addresses were tagged and monitored under the old program.  A vast majority of them were for phone numbers outside the USA.  Email being email, they could be from anywhere (a simple IP scrambler would shadow the system).  However, if the terrorist has someone in the USA on his &quot;IN&quot; list, then I would think that was important.  Also, if the IP address for an email/website visit was within the USA, there would be a probe to see if this was a &quot;zombie&quot; computer (hyjacked by spyware or scrambled) or someone within the USA planning something or providing aid to the enemy.  This was the only point where domestic evesdropping took place.  This is not Clinton&#039;s Echelon or Carnevoir system.

Now we cannot even do that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>David,<br />
That is not the worst of it.  This whole &#8220;Bush is spying on Americans&#8221; crap is just that: crap.</p>
<p>This is how the program was working.  I am a Soldier.  I kill a terrorist.  He has a cell phone, computer, and notes, which I collect and give to the S2 (Bn/BDE intelligence officer).  He/she gives it to Division G2 who has the assets to translate and act upon the SIGINT.</p>
<p>Now, in the course of going through the computer and phone, G2 finds web browsing and email histories, along with the phone reconds and phone book from the cell.  All of these phone numbers and email addresses were tagged and monitored under the old program.  A vast majority of them were for phone numbers outside the USA.  Email being email, they could be from anywhere (a simple IP scrambler would shadow the system).  However, if the terrorist has someone in the USA on his &#8220;IN&#8221; list, then I would think that was important.  Also, if the IP address for an email/website visit was within the USA, there would be a probe to see if this was a &#8220;zombie&#8221; computer (hyjacked by spyware or scrambled) or someone within the USA planning something or providing aid to the enemy.  This was the only point where domestic evesdropping took place.  This is not Clinton&#8217;s Echelon or Carnevoir system.</p>
<p>Now we cannot even do that.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/09/28/further-evidence-fisa-needs-to/comment-page-1/#comment-6843</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The larger question here, &lt;i&gt;&quot;why is it necessary to obtain a warrant with regard to SIGINT in a combat theater?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

If the ABCNews story is correct in its account, it&#039;s an absolute disgrace that forces a military commander on the battlefield (in a third nation) to ask for a warrant &lt;i&gt;in the United States&lt;/i&gt; to gather SIGINT on the enemy.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>The larger question here, <i>&#8220;why is it necessary to obtain a warrant with regard to SIGINT in a combat theater?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>If the ABCNews story is correct in its account, it&#8217;s an absolute disgrace that forces a military commander on the battlefield (in a third nation) to ask for a warrant <i>in the United States</i> to gather SIGINT on the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: dick</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/09/28/further-evidence-fisa-needs-to/comment-page-1/#comment-6842</link>
		<dc:creator>dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can this be verified??

A friend of mine said they could start listening and apply later.

And when I say wrong, understand I am not 100% sure of this,

but I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;s wrong. The old law permits the AG and the AG only (well, I guess the President too) to authorize this &quot;emergency authorization&quot; to permit eavedropping without court-issued warrant. However, the law requires the eavesdropping stop until this emergency
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>how can this be verified??</p>
<p>A friend of mine said they could start listening and apply later.</p>
<p>And when I say wrong, understand I am not 100% sure of this,</p>
<p>but I&#8217;m pretty sure he&#8217;s wrong. The old law permits the AG and the AG only (well, I guess the President too) to authorize this &#8220;emergency authorization&#8221; to permit eavedropping without court-issued warrant. However, the law requires the eavesdropping stop until this emergency</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting for a lefty to provide VERIFIABLE evidence that the civil liberties of an American citizen have been wrongfully infringed by our terrorist monitoring program.

Yet, here we have an excellent example where the lives of Americans have been lost because of the left wing idiocy that places handcuffs on the very people trying to save American lives.

How many more Americans will die because the left continues to obstruct the very tools and methods that could save lives?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;m still waiting for a lefty to provide VERIFIABLE evidence that the civil liberties of an American citizen have been wrongfully infringed by our terrorist monitoring program.</p>
<p>Yet, here we have an excellent example where the lives of Americans have been lost because of the left wing idiocy that places handcuffs on the very people trying to save American lives.</p>
<p>How many more Americans will die because the left continues to obstruct the very tools and methods that could save lives?</p>
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		<title>By: Stop The ACLU</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop The ACLU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;FISA Law Delays Hunt For Kidnappers Of American Soldiers&lt;/strong&gt;

We all know how hard the ACLU have fought to water down the FISA laws on terrorist surviellance and easdropping.  They prey on the paranoid and suggest that &#8216;innocent americans&#8217; are having their privacy violated daily by the NSA.  They have...
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<p>We all know how hard the ACLU have fought to water down the FISA laws on terrorist surviellance and easdropping.  They prey on the paranoid and suggest that &#8216;innocent americans&#8217; are having their privacy violated daily by the NSA.  They have&#8230;</p>
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