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		<title>By: Fred056</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred056</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 04:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious. Does anyone know how many of the Iraq War supporters who post their opinions to these and other forums have enlisted for active duty in the war they so obviously believe in?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>I&#8217;m curious. Does anyone know how many of the Iraq War supporters who post their opinions to these and other forums have enlisted for active duty in the war they so obviously believe in?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
We can add that Saddam put his military on full alert just before 9-11-01.  My Brigade had an Armor Battalion in Intrinsic Action at the time.  That unit mobilized expecting an invasion by Iraq across the Kuwait Border.  This was in the news, but there was no way to connect the dots without 20/20 hindsight.

In addition, one of Saddam&#039;s son&#039;s newspapers printed an article about America suffering in the &quot;arm that was already stinging&quot;.  How would Saddam know about the impending attack (one does not put a fully re-armed, despite the sactions, Iraq on full alert for no reason) unless he had detailed information from AQ?

And we have the fact that after the invasion by the Coalition of 30 plus countries into Iraq, which Saddam had plenty of warning for, AQ terrorists took 20 TONS of VX and Sarin nerve gas in semi trucks from Syria into Jordan.  These terrorists were caught with the mother of all chemical VBIEDs at the Jordan border in 2004.  They confessed to the Jordanians that they got these weapons from the convoys that had entered Syria from Iraq and the plan to attack Aman, Jordan was blessed off by AQ&#039;s then commander in Iraq.  They also stated Saddam had welcomed in from their loss in Afghanistan and given them medical care and material support.

How did AQ get these weapons and the authority to use them without A) Iraq having them (Syria has no stocks of VX) and B) Saddam working with AQ to use them in an attack on Jordan&#039;s capital?

As you say though, the list goes on, and on, and on.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott,<br />
We can add that Saddam put his military on full alert just before 9-11-01.  My Brigade had an Armor Battalion in Intrinsic Action at the time.  That unit mobilized expecting an invasion by Iraq across the Kuwait Border.  This was in the news, but there was no way to connect the dots without 20/20 hindsight.</p>
<p>In addition, one of Saddam&#8217;s son&#8217;s newspapers printed an article about America suffering in the &#8220;arm that was already stinging&#8221;.  How would Saddam know about the impending attack (one does not put a fully re-armed, despite the sactions, Iraq on full alert for no reason) unless he had detailed information from AQ?</p>
<p>And we have the fact that after the invasion by the Coalition of 30 plus countries into Iraq, which Saddam had plenty of warning for, AQ terrorists took 20 TONS of VX and Sarin nerve gas in semi trucks from Syria into Jordan.  These terrorists were caught with the mother of all chemical VBIEDs at the Jordan border in 2004.  They confessed to the Jordanians that they got these weapons from the convoys that had entered Syria from Iraq and the plan to attack Aman, Jordan was blessed off by AQ&#8217;s then commander in Iraq.  They also stated Saddam had welcomed in from their loss in Afghanistan and given them medical care and material support.</p>
<p>How did AQ get these weapons and the authority to use them without A) Iraq having them (Syria has no stocks of VX) and B) Saddam working with AQ to use them in an attack on Jordan&#8217;s capital?</p>
<p>As you say though, the list goes on, and on, and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We keep complaining that President Bush isn&#039;t getting his message out, then we have an example like this which shows that no matter how good a speech he delivers, the &quot;news&quot; media will simply ignore it or warp it.

It&#039;s a long speech, and surely the attention deficit disorder media wouldn&#039;t be able to pay attention that long.

But if you read it, or listen to the audio, you&#039;ll hear the history lessons that our media SHOULD cover.

I&#039;d like to know which speech writer worked on it. It&#039;s certainly different from most of Bush&#039;s speeches on this subject. But it was also written for an audience that LIVED that history the President was talking about.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>We keep complaining that President Bush isn&#8217;t getting his message out, then we have an example like this which shows that no matter how good a speech he delivers, the &#8220;news&#8221; media will simply ignore it or warp it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long speech, and surely the attention deficit disorder media wouldn&#8217;t be able to pay attention that long.</p>
<p>But if you read it, or listen to the audio, you&#8217;ll hear the history lessons that our media SHOULD cover.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to know which speech writer worked on it. It&#8217;s certainly different from most of Bush&#8217;s speeches on this subject. But it was also written for an audience that LIVED that history the President was talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
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		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - &lt;a href=&quot;http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2007/08/web-reconnaissance-for-08232007.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Web Reconnaissance for 08/23/2007&lt;/a&gt;
A short recon of whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Trackbacked by The Thunder Run &#8211; <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2007/08/web-reconnaissance-for-08232007.html" rel="nofollow">Web Reconnaissance for 08/23/2007</a><br />
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty easy to see that Rove leaves, and all of a sudden we&#039;re getting speeches that have the Karen Hughes flavor again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>It&#8217;s pretty easy to see that Rove leaves, and all of a sudden we&#8217;re getting speeches that have the Karen Hughes flavor again.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ Reidhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ Reidhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some strange reason I managed to catch most of the speech live (which is unusual for me). Yesterday evening, when researching for The Pink Flamingo and I saw the commentary on the speech I wondered if I watched the same speech everyone else did.  Thanks for reassuring me I was not imgaining things!

SJ Reidhead
The Pink Flamingo
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>For some strange reason I managed to catch most of the speech live (which is unusual for me). Yesterday evening, when researching for The Pink Flamingo and I saw the commentary on the speech I wondered if I watched the same speech everyone else did.  Thanks for reassuring me I was not imgaining things!</p>
<p>SJ Reidhead<br />
The Pink Flamingo</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rovin, I completely agree.

Saddam&#039;s VP, his #2 man, the so-called strong arm of the regime, the &quot;muscle man,&quot;  Izzat Ibrahim al Douri actually did an interview for TIME and admitted his ties to Al Queda.

We&#039;ve had Marines actually based at the terrorist training camps-writing hundreds of letters home from them every day for 4 years now, and people still don&#039;t buy it.

We&#039;ve got detainees admitting that ansar was an AQ camp functioning as Saddam&#039;s tool in N Iraq; admitting they personally carried orders from Baghdad to the AQ leaders there.

We&#039;ve got MILLIONS of captured documents

There are dozens of extremely well-documented pre-war &amp; pre Bush Admin high level meetings between the two

UBL openly and freely declared that 2/3s of his excuses/reasons for killing Americans were the US war on Saddam

Man, there&#039;s even documents claiming that UBL was an intel asset for the IIS back in the 1990&#039;s

For years Saddam&#039;s newspapers described UBL as a hero of the Iraqi people

We&#039;ve got Saddam calling for Islamic Holy Warriors to attack the US and defend Iraq

I could go on for hundreds of pages-and in fact have done so, but you&#039;re right.  Opponents of the war would rather believe political claims about the issue of regime ties rather than all of that-even the words of the leaders of AQ and Saddam&#039;s regime.  Why believe Sen Levin, Rockefeller, and others who continually point fingers rather than own up to their role in making the CIA and 15 other intel agencies unable to fulfill their mission?  Why not believe Saddam, al Douri, Bin Laden, captured IIS guys, captured AQ guys, the documents that were captured, and the training camps the USMC occupies?

It&#039;s simple:
It doesn&#039;t fit the preferred narrative.  If one accepts those facts, then they have to accept the war, and an opponent of the war can never do that because it would invalidate the core excuse/catalyst for their Bush hate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Rovin, I completely agree.</p>
<p>Saddam&#8217;s VP, his #2 man, the so-called strong arm of the regime, the &#8220;muscle man,&#8221;  Izzat Ibrahim al Douri actually did an interview for TIME and admitted his ties to Al Queda.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had Marines actually based at the terrorist training camps-writing hundreds of letters home from them every day for 4 years now, and people still don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got detainees admitting that ansar was an AQ camp functioning as Saddam&#8217;s tool in N Iraq; admitting they personally carried orders from Baghdad to the AQ leaders there.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got MILLIONS of captured documents</p>
<p>There are dozens of extremely well-documented pre-war &#038; pre Bush Admin high level meetings between the two</p>
<p>UBL openly and freely declared that 2/3s of his excuses/reasons for killing Americans were the US war on Saddam</p>
<p>Man, there&#8217;s even documents claiming that UBL was an intel asset for the IIS back in the 1990&#8242;s</p>
<p>For years Saddam&#8217;s newspapers described UBL as a hero of the Iraqi people</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got Saddam calling for Islamic Holy Warriors to attack the US and defend Iraq</p>
<p>I could go on for hundreds of pages-and in fact have done so, but you&#8217;re right.  Opponents of the war would rather believe political claims about the issue of regime ties rather than all of that-even the words of the leaders of AQ and Saddam&#8217;s regime.  Why believe Sen Levin, Rockefeller, and others who continually point fingers rather than own up to their role in making the CIA and 15 other intel agencies unable to fulfill their mission?  Why not believe Saddam, al Douri, Bin Laden, captured IIS guys, captured AQ guys, the documents that were captured, and the training camps the USMC occupies?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s simple:<br />
It doesn&#8217;t fit the preferred narrative.  If one accepts those facts, then they have to accept the war, and an opponent of the war can never do that because it would invalidate the core excuse/catalyst for their Bush hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Rovin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,  I think we could bring Saddam back from the dead and have him admit the &quot;Saddam/AQ connection&quot; and the left would still deny it.  Their position that AQ was never in Iraq until we got there is so ingrained in the rhetoric, it may take historians years later to correct this blatant lie.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Scott,  I think we could bring Saddam back from the dead and have him admit the &#8220;Saddam/AQ connection&#8221; and the left would still deny it.  Their position that AQ was never in Iraq until we got there is so ingrained in the rhetoric, it may take historians years later to correct this blatant lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Rovin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also in this speech, Bush reminded the democrats (who are calling for Maliki to step down) that this decision is up to the people of Iraq, not politicians in Washington.

General P. is doing his part magnificenty.  Nouri al-Maliki
is attempting to make peace with all the factions (including largest insurgency in Iraq &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1225974555&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;

Meanwhile our democratic party at home are trying to figure out how they can still promote a failure and defeat to save face with the anti-war left that appears to hate America and Bush more than our enemys.  Their claim that the Iraqi government is fractured rings hollow when they have to look in the mirror of their own accomplishments since they have regained power.  But I think the &quot;tide&quot; is turning.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Also in this speech, Bush reminded the democrats (who are calling for Maliki to step down) that this decision is up to the people of Iraq, not politicians in Washington.</p>
<p>General P. is doing his part magnificenty.  Nouri al-Maliki<br />
is attempting to make peace with all the factions (including largest insurgency in Iraq <a href="http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.1225974555" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
<p>Meanwhile our democratic party at home are trying to figure out how they can still promote a failure and defeat to save face with the anti-war left that appears to hate America and Bush more than our enemys.  Their claim that the Iraqi government is fractured rings hollow when they have to look in the mirror of their own accomplishments since they have regained power.  But I think the &#8220;tide&#8221; is turning.</p>
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		<title>By: Bottom Line Up Front</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 04:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bush Puts Iraq in Historical Context at VFW&lt;/strong&gt;

President Bush brilliantly lays out the Iraq war in historical context using the words of critics for past wars at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Conference.
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<p>President Bush brilliantly lays out the Iraq war in historical context using the words of critics for past wars at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Conference.</p>
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