More to South Carolina Terror Plot Than Initially Reported

As we discussed in this post, there seems to be more to this story than two guys who like model rockets. According to the Associated Press, phrases like pipe bombs and terrorism probe are now being used. Oh, and the

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“Another of Ishtay’s roommates, Ghassan Salhab, 27, said the man from Mauritania moved here from Canada recently and returned there Monday.”

The MSA, which is a prominent Muslim student group at the University of Southern Florida, has a substantial presence in Canada. http://www.msanational.org/ezcan/.

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I have squirrel’s all over my place and there is also a squirrel season. Get caught shooting one, or killing one, with anything out of season and you can expect a large fine. The only varmints that may be killed year round are Coyote’s and Ground hogs, and that requires a hunting license also. Bet these nuts met none of the requirements. It’s funny how many people support these guys without knowing their history and purpose in life. Is there an Islamist in the world that isn’t out to kill everyone and take over the world? I doubt it.

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If you think of the shell and it’s powder as a gas generator, which is all it really is, then you can easily see that a pellet gun is equivalent to a high powered rifle in the principle on which they both function. The amount of gas and the pressure squirting the bullet out of the barrel is simply(!) quite a bit higher for the high-powered rifle than for air powered pellet guns. Some commercially available air guns can have muzzle velocities of up to 1200 fps for a 22 pellet, comparable to a 22 long rifle.

So it doesn’t surprise me to find pellet guns classified as firearms, even if there’s no fire or flame involved. Firearm has simply become a term for a device that projects a solid projectile through a straight tubular device, emerging from the device (or barrel) at high speeds. And yes, everything from straw and spitwad to atomic cannon fits this definition. The moral is: keep in touch with your legislators when they go to revise firearms regulations.

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Wasn’t Dr. Sami Al-Arian, the professor that Bill O’Reilly harped on and who is serving time for ties to terrorist groups, from University of South Florida – Tampa? The fact that Al-Arian was there for so long would suggest that the University is somewhat tolerant of “radical” Muslim activities. It will be interesting to see if there are any ties between these two and Al-Arian or any student groups that he founded.

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For better or worse, paintball guns, pellet guns, all kinds of non-gunpowder-drive, projectile throwin’, things are labeled as firearms to one degree or another. I don’t like it either. It seems kinda outdated. Given the rise in non-lethal defense technologies, it seems there needs to be a new category of “weapons” so that dealing with them can be a lot more clear. Shooting vermin with a BB gun should not at all have the same penalty as doing so with a permitted AK47. Conversely, pellet, BB, paintball, etc, these things cannot be expected to be so tightly regulated as to require permits. My 2 cents

On the “fireworks” idea….I wonder, what kinda of stuff can one buy at Walmart to make fireworks? I know they sell ammo there, and model rockets, but I’ve never seen model rocket fuse, or plain powder for loading one’s own rounds. I haven’t even seen pipe and pipe fittings at Walmart. So, what’d they buy there to make bombs/fireworks? Sure, the alcohol/aluminum foil gig works, but are we gonna regulate sales of that?

Looking forward to more details.

It very well could be that these two morons were just vandals in the making, but it’s definitely worth looking into closely, and I applaud both law enforcement’s handling so far as well as the two guys’ willingness (apparently) to cooperate.

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I have issue in calling a pellet gun a firearm. Does that make a staw a missle launcher if it could be used to shoot spit wads? If anybody shot a real firearm in a city park, they would get more than a citation.

In Idaho, squirrels are not game. You can get a $5 varmint tag and kill them by the hundreds. Also how exactly did they use an illegal method of killing game. One illegal method of hunting game, at least in California, is using exposed food to lure game. But exposed food is used to lurer cetain animals such as roaches, rats, moles, mice, and fish. That’s why Fish and Game is not just Game. It’s also why pest control doesn’t need hunting licenses to do their job or get busted by the government for setting traps. In other words, not all animals are considered game.

It’s also kind of strange to need to go to somebody else to see if somebody was accused of a crime. I would think the story would start of by saying, “The FBI arrested so and so for having pipe bombs.”

Probably any case involving the feds would involve taking computers and searching homes.

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