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		<title>By: mxpeace</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/06/27/immigration-bill-going-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-4594</link>
		<dc:creator>mxpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t just predictable, it was guarenteed that instead of taking the obvious, simplest, least controversial, and probably the cheapest first step toward immigration reform, building the wall, our leaders jumped head first into the most complex and contentious aspects of the problem. They really love that briar patch.

Build the wall.

We have to control our border with Mexico.
This isn&#039;t the Berlin Wall we&#039;re talking about. It is a wall that allows us to decide who and how many immigrants we want entering our country - and when.  Have as many check points as it takes to effectively screen who comes in and who goes out. But build a wall that makes sure anyone coming in, comes through a check point, not the desert.

Once we control how many people enter this country, we can deal with the other issues, amnesty etc., more or less at our leisure.

Point 2:  terrorists.  Build the wall!

Point 3:  Mexico. They have to take action on their side or suffer consequences.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>It wasn&#8217;t just predictable, it was guarenteed that instead of taking the obvious, simplest, least controversial, and probably the cheapest first step toward immigration reform, building the wall, our leaders jumped head first into the most complex and contentious aspects of the problem. They really love that briar patch.</p>
<p>Build the wall.</p>
<p>We have to control our border with Mexico.<br />
This isn&#8217;t the Berlin Wall we&#8217;re talking about. It is a wall that allows us to decide who and how many immigrants we want entering our country &#8211; and when.  Have as many check points as it takes to effectively screen who comes in and who goes out. But build a wall that makes sure anyone coming in, comes through a check point, not the desert.</p>
<p>Once we control how many people enter this country, we can deal with the other issues, amnesty etc., more or less at our leisure.</p>
<p>Point 2:  terrorists.  Build the wall!</p>
<p>Point 3:  Mexico. They have to take action on their side or suffer consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: JihadGene</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/06/27/immigration-bill-going-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-4593</link>
		<dc:creator>JihadGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike&#039;s America-
Yeah, I heard. Trent Lott&#039;s arrogance put me over the edge... bottom line....I&#039;m a newly registered Independent voter.... You gotta earn me back ya Republican Senatorial Bit*hes!
NO TANGO DINERO FOR THE RNC!!! Perhaps, I would again contribute to the RNC, for the chance of seeing Trent Lott getting popped in the balls by his own Mississippi Goat Fence!!!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/81785.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/81785.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Mike&#8217;s America-<br />
Yeah, I heard. Trent Lott&#8217;s arrogance put me over the edge&#8230; bottom line&#8230;.I&#8217;m a newly registered Independent voter&#8230;. You gotta earn me back ya Republican Senatorial Bit*hes!<br />
NO TANGO DINERO FOR THE RNC!!! Perhaps, I would again contribute to the RNC, for the chance of seeing Trent Lott getting popped in the balls by his own Mississippi Goat Fence!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/81785.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/81785.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/06/27/immigration-bill-going-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-4592</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Mike said, there are a lot of good elements to the immigration bill. Certainly there were a few holes that were easily correctable by tweaking the language. It&#039;s a classic case of both sides not wanting to provide the leadership to get it done. By continually putting this off, it&#039;s going to make the next effort much more difficult.

But, should we be so surprised. It&#039;s the same method being applied to everything across the board.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Like Mike said, there are a lot of good elements to the immigration bill. Certainly there were a few holes that were easily correctable by tweaking the language. It&#8217;s a classic case of both sides not wanting to provide the leadership to get it done. By continually putting this off, it&#8217;s going to make the next effort much more difficult.</p>
<p>But, should we be so surprised. It&#8217;s the same method being applied to everything across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Van Helsing</title>
		<link>http://floppingaces.net/2007/06/27/immigration-bill-going-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>Van Helsing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t need any amnesty bill. We just need to enforce the laws we have. And build the fence that Congress already authorized.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>We don&#8217;t need any amnesty bill. We just need to enforce the laws we have. And build the fence that Congress already authorized.</p>
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		<title>By: Rovin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Jim DeMints site:

After the Senate voted to cut off debate on the question of whether to resurrect the Senate immigration bill, Senator Reid set up unique debate process that guarantees votes several hand-picked amendments but blocks consideration of all others. Senator Reid used a parliamentary tool called a Ã¢â‚¬Å“clay pigeonÃ¢â‚¬Â to divide a giant amendment into multiple amendments and then moved to block all others. No other member of the Senate besides Reid could have accomplished all of this without being stopped by another Senator. No other Majority Leader in history has done this.

Ã¢â‚¬Å“Republicans need to take a step back and realize what happened today. Senator Reid turned the Senate into the House and fundamentally undermined minority rights,Ã¢â‚¬Â said Senator DeMint. Ã¢â‚¬Å“I was always told the Senate was the saucer that cooled the pot, but Senator Reid is forcing us to drink straight from the spout. Republicans better wake up soon or they can expect Senator Reid to use this tactic in the future to raise taxes, increase spending, and weaken our national security.Ã¢â‚¬Â

Lindsay Grahm just said on the floor: &quot;this is good as it gets&quot;----- another words, now that we&#039;ve crammed this pathetic legislation down the people&#039;s throats, swallow it!

Reid didn&#039;t &quot;get it&quot; the first time around that limiting ammendments to a small group of preselected senators was not going to produce a consensus or SUPPORT. But Reid&#039;s lack of leadership once again will bring this bill to another sad end of no cloture.

Back to the drawing board------fine with me.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>From Jim DeMints site:</p>
<p>After the Senate voted to cut off debate on the question of whether to resurrect the Senate immigration bill, Senator Reid set up unique debate process that guarantees votes several hand-picked amendments but blocks consideration of all others. Senator Reid used a parliamentary tool called a Ã¢â‚¬Å“clay pigeonÃ¢â‚¬Â to divide a giant amendment into multiple amendments and then moved to block all others. No other member of the Senate besides Reid could have accomplished all of this without being stopped by another Senator. No other Majority Leader in history has done this.</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Republicans need to take a step back and realize what happened today. Senator Reid turned the Senate into the House and fundamentally undermined minority rights,Ã¢â‚¬Â said Senator DeMint. Ã¢â‚¬Å“I was always told the Senate was the saucer that cooled the pot, but Senator Reid is forcing us to drink straight from the spout. Republicans better wake up soon or they can expect Senator Reid to use this tactic in the future to raise taxes, increase spending, and weaken our national security.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>Lindsay Grahm just said on the floor: &#8220;this is good as it gets&#8221;&#8212;&#8211; another words, now that we&#8217;ve crammed this pathetic legislation down the people&#8217;s throats, swallow it!</p>
<p>Reid didn&#8217;t &#8220;get it&#8221; the first time around that limiting ammendments to a small group of preselected senators was not going to produce a consensus or SUPPORT. But Reid&#8217;s lack of leadership once again will bring this bill to another sad end of no cloture.</p>
<p>Back to the drawing board&#8212;&#8212;fine with me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Jihad Gene, the most viable candidate to run against Graham in the primary here, our State Treasurer Thomas Ravenal, just got busted for cocaine distribution.

And his co-conspirator has the same name as myself. Fortunately, they published the guys photo and I don&#039;t think too many people will confuse me with a 25 year old black guy.

Anyway, we&#039;ll know what happens to this bill in a couple of hours. It&#039;s amazing that Senator Reid brought up a three hundred plus page amendment for debate that wasn&#039;t even written yet and no one had read. How embarrassed he must have been when a Republican Senator asked to read it. How dare that GOP upstart want to know what is in this bill!

As I&#039;ve said before, there were many good things in this bill and I believe we can pass a bill on those issues we agree. We don&#039;t need some massive secret bill that clearly would be amnesty and loaded with billions of liberal goodies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>Unfortunately Jihad Gene, the most viable candidate to run against Graham in the primary here, our State Treasurer Thomas Ravenal, just got busted for cocaine distribution.</p>
<p>And his co-conspirator has the same name as myself. Fortunately, they published the guys photo and I don&#8217;t think too many people will confuse me with a 25 year old black guy.</p>
<p>Anyway, we&#8217;ll know what happens to this bill in a couple of hours. It&#8217;s amazing that Senator Reid brought up a three hundred plus page amendment for debate that wasn&#8217;t even written yet and no one had read. How embarrassed he must have been when a Republican Senator asked to read it. How dare that GOP upstart want to know what is in this bill!</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before, there were many good things in this bill and I believe we can pass a bill on those issues we agree. We don&#8217;t need some massive secret bill that clearly would be amnesty and loaded with billions of liberal goodies.</p>
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		<title>By: JihadGene</title>
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		<dc:creator>JihadGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great News! I will do my part in the future, by personally contributing to the coffers of those running against Lindsey Graham and Trent Lott, in their re-election runs for the US Senate. Hell, I would contribute to Marion S. Barry Jr., rather than put up with these shit-heads again!

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